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#569128 - 04/05/20 06:05 PM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: L. Brown]
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Likewise. I like it when they don't run.
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#569129 - 04/05/20 06:14 PM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: Shotgunjones]
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Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
Likewise. I like it when they don't run.


Exactly, although I think Gus does. He enjoys the challenge. But he gets enough of those anyway.
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#569131 - 04/05/20 06:47 PM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: L. Brown]
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I also was not very recoil sensitive until around 70 yrs of age when I became more tender. The old British "Rue of Thumb" of gun weight = 96 times the shot weight is a pretty good guide.

This fits quite well with Burrard's rule that most people can generally handle loads that do not exceed 16 fps of recoil velocity. Recoil velocity is actually a much more important factor than recoil Energy. If not NO ONE could handle the really big stuff.

I have shot factory 1¼ oz loads from a 3'' 20 that weighed only 6¼ lbs. Recoil was stiff but bearable if one was only shooting a few & not in rapid succession. When I was much younger I shot some of the 2 3/4" baby Mags with 1½ oz shot from some rather light guns, all solid breech, no gas-operated guns, but would not do so now.
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#569146 - 04/05/20 09:57 PM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: ksauers1]
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Originally Posted By: ksauers1
Brent, do you know what the pressure is on these? L do you load llead and bismuth?


From Hodgdon manual:
Longshot Ched. 209 WAA12F114 29.8 8,000 PSI 1,330

I believe I am actually using 28 grns of powder, so I'm slightly slower and less pressure. I would have to look at my books to be sure.

I have also used a Bluedot load, but I believe the pressure is a bit higher. I don't have that handy and Hodgdon doesn't list a load for it on line.
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#569158 - 04/06/20 10:14 AM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: L. Brown]
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I sold my hell for stout Lefever several years ago, but just recently picked up two guns that should take care of my upland and duck hunting needs. I live in northwest Montana and hunt ducks two to three times a week. I hunt upland east of the mountains two oor three times a season.

Montana pheasant hunting requires lots of walking, so a lighter gun is nice there. For that purpose I bought a 1924 LC Smith featherweight 12 ga, 28” barrel gun. It weighs 6#-8” and fits me perfectly. Using the 96 formula it works out to 1-1/8 oz loads, which seems perfect for pheasants. I sometimes hunt on a refuge that requires non toxic, so I guess I’ll shop for some RST shells.

Similarly some heavier RST for my duck hunting. I just received the Fox pin gun I bought from Jason Peck. A 12 ga, 30” barrel wring in at 7-1/4 pounds. It’s a tiny bit short at 14” even, so I might replace the plastic butt plate with a thin recoil pad.

I’m sure both guns have had a lifetime of 2 3/4” shells through them, I’ve had both guns checked out by my gunsmith, but I’m curious what the experts on here think about me shooting 2 3/4 “ shells through them? I didn’t measure the Elsie’s chamber, but the Fox is 2 5/8”.


Edited by Glacierjohn (04/06/20 10:16 AM)

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#569159 - 04/06/20 10:33 AM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: BrentD]
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Originally Posted By: BrentD
Perfect! smile I always did like Gene.

Sometime this week, I will probably be loading what I and a friend will need for this fall. So far, I am very optimistic about the coming season.


Brent, keep your fingers crossed for a warm, dry spring!

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#569160 - 04/06/20 10:39 AM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: L. Brown]
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Believe me, I am! My fingers are cramping but I'm holding on.

Not too dry though. We will need some gentle rains to get the vegetation growing well and the bug crop up. It is a little dry right here, or so it seems to me. Just a little.
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#569162 - 04/06/20 10:48 AM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: L. Brown]
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RST offers a 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz pheasant load in its Premium Grade line. 1200 fps. You can get them in size 4, 5, or 6 shot. I've used some of those, and I think they're as good as any equivalent load on the market. Price I have listed is $12/box. Even with shipping, those will cost you less per box than the "premier" loads from the big ammo makers. And the RST's, with much less velocity, also produce much less recoil.

They don't list pressure, but I'm pretty sure they'll tell you if you ask.

Re tower shoots: They're designed to more or less simulate driven shooting. The loads I've shot when in Scotland have been either 1 oz or 1 1/16 oz. And they'll do the job quite nicely on birds under 40 yards. And a 40 yard driven bird is pretty darned "tall" at your typical driven shoot. Not speaking of the places that specialize in really high birds, 50 yards and more. But those guys shoot heavy, long-barreled guns pushing heavy loads through tight-choked barrels.

We Yanks are used to shooting walked up pheasants over dogs (unless you're a blocker) at mostly going away angles. They're a lot harder to kill when they're shot as outgoers than they are as incomers. Coming at you, their vitals are far more exposed. So those light British loads, which are mostly Brit 6's (slightly larger than US 7's) do the job very nicely. You've also got a bunch of "pickers" lined up behind you to collect the victims and to run down the cripples with their dogs. Usually retrievers and spaniels.

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#569173 - 04/06/20 05:58 PM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: L. Brown]
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L C Smith standardized on 2 3/4" chambers in 12 gauge very early on. Not so on the 16 & 20 gauges.
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#569200 - 04/07/20 06:19 AM Re: More on 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz load [Re: L. Brown]
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Hi all, nice thread. Anyway, here are some pressures that RST gave me when I made an inquiry about their pressures.

The first one is what Col Brown was discussing. I use this load for late season roosters. I works and then some!

Best,

Greg

1) 12ga 2 3/4" Premium Pheasant 1 1/4oz 1200fps ... 7800 psi

2) 12ga 2 1/2" Best Grade 1oz 1175fps (Lead, Plastic Hull) ... 6500 psi

3) 16ga 2 1/2" Best Grade 1oz 1200fps " ... 6800 psi
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