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from a best guns price? I suspect this has been asked before but my research brought up questions about pressure and other factors. I have had sleeved guns that were excellent but they weren't best guns. If the gun and stock are in good shape and the sleeving is invisible and balanced well, does it still take a big cut in price?
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I agree with Ted. Sleeving turns a gun from collector material to a shooter. Far better than being sent to the scrap heap but value takes a beating.
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This thread has 13 pages and no answer. Sleeved As you can see, some people wouldn't touch a sleeved gun. Others look at them as a shooter for a more reasonable price. Ken
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To me, the barrels are the heart of the gun. Everything else is ancillary. So IMO if a Purdey has its barrels replaced or sleeved by a top gunsmith it is no longer a Purdey but has some Purdey parts. And its value would reflect that. Just my two cents worth of opinion.
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Joe, that does seem to be the general belief however it kind of mystifies me. A new set of barrels can be made or the gun sleeved, but to completely remake an action, sidelock parts etc would seem to be much more labor intensive.
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I don't know, I have been contemplating buying an action with shot barrels (but a usable stock) in a UK auction and having it invisibly sleeved to my preferred barrel dims with 2 3/4 chambers and re-proofed in the UK then imported to the US. It probably wouldn't be a Purdey action or top tier maker, just a "fine" graded action from some little known or trade maker. I wouldn't expect to make money on it, but to have a high quality one off shooter that can take modern ammo for around 4K. I agree that collector value is shot with a sleeved gun, but I don't really care because I am not a collector.
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Nitrah, you are correct about the costs and efforts involved but the fact remains that its the barrels more than any other part that determines the quality of the gun. Heck, I guess a nail and hammer could be sufficient to fire it.
A friend of mine has an early Purdey hammer gun that began life as a muzzleloader in 1845 or thereabouts. Barrels back then were very highly valued and sometime in the 1890's the owner had Purdey make a complete breechloading action for these barrels! Anything and everything was done to preserve the barrels back then.
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Have the barrels on the gun in question been shortened? If "yes" then the value would already have been destroyed. If the "short" barrels are original length, IMO if you have them sleeved you might be cutting the value by 1/3 to 1/2. YMMV
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