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A Fabbrica Nazionale d'Armi sliding breech patent here

https://ie.espacenet.com/publicationDeta...p;locale=en_IE#

Though the cavalier projection is all over the place, looks like they were contemplating a top lever version.

Couple of model Victor and SuperVictor side lever ads

https://www.iltiro.com/mercatino/mercati...obig=1320431904

https://www.iltiro.com/mercatino/mercati...2&ida=75352

https://www.iltiro.com/mercatino/mercati...&ida=103547

https://www.yabanavmalzemeleri.com/urun/f-n-a-victor-superpoze-av-tufegi-ikinci-el

Google-translated thread with detail pics

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.armichepassione.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D62%26t%3D1986&prev=search

Markus

The first link doesn�t work.

I wonder how it was different enough from the Bretton patent to allow for an Italian patent? Or, if the patent was simply expired, and guns were produced in Italy? Possibly similar to what happened with the Petrik O/U and the Remington model 32.

Best,
Ted

The first link being offline should be temporary. Even search function isn't currently working, the European patent database returning an error:"Our backend search database is undergoing maintenance. [Sounds like colonoscopy] We expect this to be finished shortly. Please come back soon."

Markus

Welcome to Europe. My experience, anyway.

Best,
Ted

Well it was an Irish patents office page and it is Saturday. Seems to be working now.

Markus

Edit: And offline again.

Since the patent link is a bit temperamental here's the pat in pics.

Markus

I see the dates 1952, 53, and 54, and mention of Paris. The Baby Bretton was first produced by Gaucher in the 1920s, if I am not mistaken.

Other then the lever location, it doesn�t seem different than the Bretton. It would be interesting to know what was patently different between the French and Italian guns, but, that said, I won�t be buying either version.


Best,
Ted

The Baby Bretton master patent was apparently filed in France in June 1947: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c2/4a/a6/a071730445b884/US2598885.pdf

Markus

Wonder what took so long?

Best,
Ted

Maybe the early production wasn't Babies but similar-looking, mechanically different guns based on the patent filed in France November 1933: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/8f/f8/65/ea30c40f35e9dc/US2087661.pdf

In some versions sort of like an O/U Darne; Probably didn't reload too darn fast:

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...amp;oe=5E99AF72

Markus