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Maybe 'Special Ted will rain in with his X'spurt'tease....
Only sleeved gun I owned was a Purdey hammer gun...reproofed and almost invisible job.
For a 100 yr old shooter I'd soon have a sleeved gun. HAHAHA! You couldn’t wait to ditch it after you showed up, here, and someone clued you in to what the brutal “sleeved” stamp beaten into the barrels meant. Best, Ted
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Since sleeving offers more opportunity to be “wrong” than “correct” I won’t buy a sleeved gun. I do have a Harkom 16 that is rebarreled.
Last edited by Chukarman; 12/25/19 01:31 PM.
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I have a Parker DH that was sleeved by Wesley Richards and is so-marked.
The job is visible, for no other reason than the original chamber section is damascus while the tubes are fluid. Each took the reblacking a bit differently.
I really like the resulting balance of the gun and the opened chokes IC/M, and that I can run most ammo through the pipes worry free. I do avoid the highest recoil loads to protect the stock though.
Do any of you have an opinion on WR's sleeving work?
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Maybe 'Special Ted will rain in with his X'spurt'tease....
Only sleeved gun I owned was a Purdey hammer gun...reproofed and almost invisible job.
For a 100 yr old shooter I'd soon have a sleeved gun. HAHAHA! You couldn’t wait to ditch it after you showed up, here, and someone clued you in to what the brutal “sleeved” stamp beaten into the barrels meant. Best, Ted Special Ted...you are the biggest idiot I've ever ran into. I knew exactly what I bought before I bought it. You are the one that looked at the picture of the chambers with gauge mates in and went berserk. Just like in your head you just know I use my Wilburt vise to do scrimshaw in because I showed a picture of something I was checkering in it. Special Ted...did the cOOn Rapids trade skool mascot scratch you in the eyes ?
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Are not all mono-blocked shotguns essentially sleeved? Seems that they are very reliable if so. If that's correct I would think properly done work on an existing gun would be also.
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Since sleeving offers more opportunity to be “wrong” than “correct” I won’t buy a sleeved gun. I do have a Harkom 16 that is rebarreled. There are plenty of examples of botched gun work out there aside from bad sleeving jobs. The sleeving jobs that are done well are nearly undetectable, and they do not appear to be unsafe to shoot. Most of the gun blow-up threads we see here do not involve sleeved guns. Guns that are stamped "Sleeved" are marked that way after they have passed Proof in Great Britain. The process is not cheap. They will never be worth as much as an original un-sleeved gun in otherwise equal condition. But they present an opportunity to salvage an unsafe and otherwise unshootable gun. As with all gun work, you have to find a competent Gunsmith with a good reputation, and you have to decide whether the final cost can be justified by either the actual or sentimental value of the finished product.
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'Are not all mono-blocked shotguns essentially sleeved? Seems that they are very reliable if so. If that's correct I would think properly done work on an existing gun would be also.'
Yes the process is similar.
However the major difference is that the breech block on a modern O/U or S/S with 'sleeved in' tubes is usually a single block of metal which incorporates lumps, ejector/extractor tunnels, any top extension and of course the breech stubs into which the tubes are sleeved.
Also some modern 'sleeved in' barrel sets use a tube that only goes so far as a shoulder machined into the breech block rather than all the way to the rim recess/breech face, the logic being (as I understand it) that having the joint within the chamber, it is less visible (!?).
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Thanks Toby B. And Doc Drew.
I think the Beretta failures had to do with using an epoxy vs. Solder/welding to fix the barrels IIRC. At any rate don't hear of or see too many flying to pieces.
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