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#559819 - 12/05/19 06:45 PM Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done?
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Several days ago, a thread titled "Superlight Upgrade" was posted in the main Double Shotgun forum.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=559632#Post559632

The thread is now locked, so unfortunately, I was unable to get an answer to my question about how the near-finished stock shown could have possibly came from the stock blank that was also pictured. I think it would be useful DIY Gunsmithing knowledge to learn how to accomplish such a total transformation:

Originally Posted By: Bob Cash











If we assume that there is only one logical way any competent stock maker would lay out this blank, it is obvious that the head end has nice straight grain that flows correctly through the wrist, and the feather crotch grain and figure would be in the butt.

The blank is planed smooth on both sides, and has a coat of finish applied, so it is clearly evident what features this blank has, and what it doesn't have.

The head end also has fairly large pores, and no figure. But strangely, the near-finished stock does not have the same large pores. And somehow, there is now figure in the stock cheeks that was not evident in the blank.

The mystery gets even deeper when we closely examine the butt end. Assuming correct layout of the blank once again, there is a dark streak in the feather crotch figure that runs from the heel, and travels diagonally down to the region between the toe and the grip. We can see from the pics of the blank that this dark figure is not just on the outside surfaces, but that it goes clear through the blank.

But then, when we look at the near-finished stock with the thick shiny polyurethane finish, we note that this dark diagonal band of figure is totally absent, on both sides. We also can see that the figure in the finished stock is nothing like the figure in the blank. I know that sometimes, some surface figure can get either better, or it can even go away during stock turning or carving. But the transformation in this stock is something the Vatican should look into, to determine if a miracle has occurred here.

So I'd like to ask the experts here... How does the figure in a blank make such a transformation??? If we could learn how to do this, we could probably turn plain maple into Circassian Walnut. So....

A) Was this truly a miracle, and the grain, pores, and figure of the finished stock really did change into something that doesn't even resemble the blank it came from?

B) Or could it be that the stock maker just didn't like that feather crotch in the butt, and the straight grain in the wrist and head, so he sent it to one of those guys who paints fake fancy grain and figure on the wood?

C) Or is this something else entirely... something that would explain why the owner refused to answer these questions, and why someone cried to Dave to have the thread locked???

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#559824 - 12/05/19 08:19 PM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: keith]
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Iím no expert with wood, but I was confused too. It looks like that blank would have been very straight in the grip with some nice figure in the posterior butt. But, like you, Iím having trouble putting that stock together with that blank. With that much figure in the stock, and if that blank was used, I donít see any way possible the grip could be straight. Again though, and other than having several stocks made, Iím no expert.
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#559834 - 12/05/19 09:39 PM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: keith]
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Yup, for the craft of stockmaking and the assessment of a blank, I thought it would have been a good topic to discuss.

The grain, not the feather pattern, of the blank would appear to radiate from the comb down to the toe, or if somehow flipped, it would radiate towards the heal. Of course, in the finished stock, the grain pattern is just the opposite radiating from the toe forward. I think that point was realized at some point, but a cropped set of pictures was deleted this morning. Oh well.

The whole package is a heck of a project even though not my cup of tea. If it was my baby, I suppose I'd be defensive about it, but maybe there's some room to learn from the little disconnects.

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#559838 - 12/05/19 10:19 PM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: keith]
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I didn't know that there were additional cropped photos that were also deleted when the thread was locked this morning craigd. I was out deer hunting when all that happened.

I posted my honest feelings about the project, and got the distinct impression my input wasn't appreciated. That's a shame, because I think folks could really learn something from this sort of magic total stock blank transformation.
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#559877 - 12/07/19 06:59 AM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: keith]
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When working a stock up from a blank it is not unknown for all the pretty grain to end up on the floor so the finished job does not meet up to expectations . On the other hand some time the finished stock exceeds expectation and you wished you could have charged more for the blank .
Its always a bit of a gambol no matter how hard you try when selecting a blank . Fortunately most work out OK .

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#559879 - 12/07/19 07:22 AM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: keith]
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Originally Posted By: keith
I didn't know that there were additional cropped photos that were also deleted when the thread was locked this morning craigd. I was out deer hunting when all that happened.

I posted my honest feelings about the project, and got the distinct impression my input wasn't appreciated. That's a shame, because I think folks could really learn something from this sort of magic total stock blank transformation.


As usual nAsty bOb lost it and replied and I just happened to be there to capture his nAstyness before NB' could delete it....

Seconds later it was deleted and locked.

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#559940 - 12/08/19 07:48 AM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: HomelessjOe]
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.....Boobís nastygram disappeared just like a fart in the wind, eh jOe?
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#559945 - 12/08/19 09:08 AM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: keith]
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Originally Posted By: keith

So I'd like to ask the experts here... How does the figure in a blank make such a transformation??? If we could learn how to do this, we could probably turn plain maple into Circassian Walnut. So....


bOb might've had it finished by the tricksters at Beretta...

Or bOb in his excitement might have posted the wrong photos...even Nasty bOb can mess up.

What makes it hard for me to envision that stock out of that blank is the photos.

Originally Posted By: gunman
When working a stock up from a blank it is not unknown for all the pretty grain to end up on the floor so the finished job does not meet up to expectations . On the other hand some time the finished stock exceeds expectation and you wished you could have charged more for the blank


Great analogy.

(In the future I might need to refer to Nasty bOb as Lucky bOb)

In wood turnery you can expect most anything to happen...I've saw the most craziest looking piece of wood turn into the most plain and the average plain looking blank turn into a killer piece.

Although rare with wood most anything is possible.

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#559960 - 12/08/19 01:32 PM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: gunman]
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Originally Posted By: gunman
When working a stock up from a blank it is not unknown for all the pretty grain to end up on the floor so the finished job does not meet up to expectations . On the other hand some time the finished stock exceeds expectation and you wished you could have charged more for the blank .
Its always a bit of a gambol no matter how hard you try when selecting a blank . Fortunately most work out OK .


This sometimes happens, but when it does, figure typically gets better, or worse on one side of the stock. I've never seen nor heard of such a complete and total transformation on both sides of a stock. Straight and plain grain in the head with large pores does not become figured wood with small tight barely visible pores... especially on both sides. There was no evidence of sapwood that might be cut away during turning, which can really change appearance in some cases, but not in this one. Rays within the wood do not turn and reorient 90 degrees from a little cutting in the duplicator. It's not like this was a four or five inch thick blank. And when you can see a dark band of feather which shows the same direction on both sides, and is also visible of the edges... that signifies that it runs clear through the blank, virtually without question. No amount of turning is going to make it go away without turning the entire blank into chips and sawdust. The blank is almost certainly feather crotch Black Walnut. The finished stock isn't the same piece of wood.
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#559970 - 12/08/19 03:28 PM Re: Total Stock Blank Transformation: How is it done? [Re: keith]
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Both of the stock blank photos have a lot of glare that might be hiding the rays on the head end.

If Nasty mouthed bOb could keep his composure I'd love to hear his side.

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