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#559588 - 12/02/19 10:35 AM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: Ted Schefelbein]
Mike Hunter Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Mike,
What is stronger, solid round, or tube?

Best,
Ted


Ted… Seriously?
Quick science experiment, take a can of Coke, empty it, now stand it up it on a hard surface and step on it. Then repeat the test with a 2 ¼ inch x 4 inch solid round aluminum bar. Which one failed quicker?
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#559593 - 12/02/19 11:53 AM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: Mike Hunter]
Ted Schefelbein Offline
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HAHAHA!!!!

Cherry pick your testing procedure much?

Seriously, when side loaded, which will deflect or bend, tube or solid, and which will break without either happening, assuming equivalent dimension, material, and force applied?

I also want to throw out the fact that almost all of the Wilton’s were built of nodular iron, and few of the Reeds were. That said, when I see a broken vise, it is never the mobile jaw that is broken. A lot of things probably break on the way to the jaw breaking, and you are long into abusing the tool at that point.

You brought up the jaw is hollow on the Wilton. I’m going to guess the engineer knew how much strength he needed there, knew the limits of the material he was using, knew he wanted the vise hollow there for one reason or another, likely related to manufacturing, and tested until he had a profile that got him what he wanted. And then went on to produce them for 75 + years, right up to today.

Are there bunches of broken mobile Wilton jaws out there? You bring up a fair point, but, observation doesn’t seem to validate it.

Best,
Ted

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#559596 - 12/02/19 01:15 PM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: Mike Hunter]
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Looks like the Wilton vise was born out of WWII

I suspect that the other vise makers, with more mature casting, forging, and machining capabilities focused on the war effort; just like Chrysler making tanks, Ford making bombers, Singer – guns etc.

Wilton’s first and only customer from 1941-1945 was the U.S. Government, and we all know how the Government loves the lowest bidder. :)&#61514;
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#559599 - 12/02/19 01:54 PM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: Mike Hunter]
Ted Schefelbein Offline
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Yea, the Manhattan project is a great example of WWII bids going to the lowest contractor.

It takes a lot to win a war, but, losing takes everything.

Best,
Ted

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#559613 - 12/02/19 05:17 PM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: Ted Schefelbein]
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Ted,
The Manhattan project wasn't a contract, it was a US Army Corps of Engineers operation, the Manhattan District( named to hide the purpose) Engineer was MG Leslie Groves.
Mike

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#559619 - 12/02/19 05:47 PM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: Mike Hunter]
Ted Schefelbein Offline
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It wasn’t lowest bid, either. It was the most expensive human endeavor in history to that point in time. I thought it best to approach Mike’s comment with humor.

Mike painted with a wide brush when he made the comment about government, lowest bidder, WWII, and companies who only had the government as a customer for four years. Many, many companies produced no consumer goods during those four years. Wilton was a new company, and likely was told everything they could produce was spoken for, until the war ended. While times likely were as good as they could be, during the war, it is a known fact that the government sold much of what Wilton had produced for pennies on the dollar after the war, and nearly destroyed the Wilton company.
Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas. The biggest dogs are in government.

https://www.wiltontools.com/us/en/company/history/

Best,
Ted

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#559686 - 12/03/19 10:10 AM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: Ted Schefelbein]
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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein




I figured the front of it would be solid....anything to save a few bucks.

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#559707 - 12/03/19 12:46 PM Re: Wilton “Bullet “vise review [Re: HomelessjOe]
Ted Schefelbein Offline
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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein




I figured the front of it would be solid....anything to save a few bucks.


Probably doesn't matter if you are dealing with a guy who can and did break a vise....


Best,
Ted

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