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#559836 - 12/05/19 09:57 PM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: buckstix]
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That is a really nice Thomas Bland Paradox.
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#559850 - 12/06/19 02:06 AM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: Hammergun]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Harrell
Buckstix wouldn't want to make another brass case crimper like that and sell it to me would you? lol

Hello Mike Harrell,
Thanks for the reply.

I would be making more of my crimping devices if I could find some of the MEC brass crimp starters. Unfortunately they are long discontinued by MEC. Now they are made of plastic. I've seen some of the brass inserts for sale on eBay, but they go for $25 - $35 each. If I ever find a source, I'll make some and offer them for sale.




Here are pictures of the bullets from the mold.



Originally Posted By: Hammergun
I'm envious Buckstix. You sure have a lot of nice stuff.

Hello Hammergun,
Thanks for the reply
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#559863 - 12/06/19 12:50 PM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: buckstix]
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This is a nice story. Good for you.
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#560264 - 12/12/19 03:08 PM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: Mike Harrell]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Harrell
Buckstix wouldn't want to make another brass case crimper like that and sell it to me would you? lol


By the way - For those of you that asked about me making them a PARADOX SHELL CRIMPER .... I bought a crimping star at the Gun Show and made another PARADOX CRIMPER.

$150 delivered - PM me.



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#560557 - 12/17/19 12:58 AM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: buckstix]
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I have a very similar gun, just a little less engraving and get 2.5 inch group of two shots using Brenneke slug loads.

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#560590 - 12/17/19 04:50 PM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: bavarianbrit]
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Originally Posted By: bavarianbrit
I have a very similar gun, just a little less engraving and get 2.5 inch group of two shots using Brenneke slug loads.

Hello bavarianbrit
Thanks for the reply

Here's the results from the last testing. I tested 5 different wad / card / bullet combinations. Groups measured 2-1/4" to 7" at 50 yards. Here's the best combination tested. Apparently this gun prefers a little harder bullet of 15:1 alloy, (BHN 11) and the heavier 790g Round Nose as compared to the 730g Hollow Point.

I'll be testing this load formula again with both HP and RN bullets to make sure the results are repeatable.

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#560795 - 12/21/19 03:45 AM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: buckstix]
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Very similar to what my three shooters grouped out at. They are an amazing tribute to handmade engineering btw mine cost me £450 around 1997.

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#561691 - 12/31/19 10:49 AM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: buckstix]
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Specifications for H&H Paradox ammunition call for 15:1 alloy.

Wouldn't you like to give this gun a go with real black powder? I think you will be quite pleased if you construct a "factory equivalent" black powder load.

My 10b H&H Paradox really sings with its intended load of 8 drams. Mine's a 10b, mind you, so don't go pouring 8 drams in a 12b! I would have to go to the books for the original H&H 12b load.

That's a very nice gun. You have done well!

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#561694 - 12/31/19 11:11 AM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: buckstix]
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H&H had two different 12 bore loads, the original at 1050 fps and the magnum load at 1250 fps.
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#561749 - 01/01/20 06:47 AM Re: THOMAS BLAND & SONS - "EUOPLIA" - 12GA PARADOX GUN [Re: SKB]
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Originally Posted By: bavarianbrit
Very similar to what my three shooters grouped out at. They are an amazing tribute to handmade engineering btw mine cost me £450 around 1997.

Hello bavarianbrit
Thanks od the reply.

That's a very good price you got on your paradox.

Originally Posted By: CptCurl
Specifications for H&H Paradox ammunition call for 15:1 alloy.

Wouldn't you like to give this gun a go with real black powder? I think you will be quite pleased if you construct a "factory equivalent" black powder load.

My 10b H&H Paradox really sings with its intended load of 8 drams. Mine's a 10b, mind you, so don't go pouring 8 drams in a 12b! I would have to go to the books for the original H&H 12b load.

That's a very nice gun. You have done well!

Curl

Hello CptCurl
Thanks for the reply.

I don't think an 8 dram load would be suitable in my Paradox since it barely weighs 7-1/4 pounds. I'll keep looking for info on what Thomas Bland would have considered an appropriate load for this. Also, I don't like using black powder because there's too much of a chance of missing a trace during clean-up - and finding a rust spot in the future.

Originally Posted By: SKB
H&H had two different 12 bore loads, the original at 1050 fps and the magnum load at 1250 fps.

Hello SKB
Thanks for the reply.

I know the H&H factory loads, but in most cases the H&H guns were heavier. I'll keep experimenting with this one using smokeless powder. But even with only 900fps, my gun seems to group well and the 790g bullet will take care of anything here in Wisconsin.
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