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While the American Revolution was indeed Complex it was not a "Civil War". Our Forefathers did not try to take over The British Government, only remove themselves from it.The So=Called American Civil War was exactly the same situation, The South never tried to "Take Over? the US Government, jst remove themselves from t

Correct, well said and to the point!

Best,

Greg

you boys need to read some more rev war history...

south of new england there were thousands more loyalist or tories, than there were up north...

currently reading "the british are coming" by rick atkinson...

highly recommended...

ever hear o dees guys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_(American_Revolution)

If Wikipedia made as many mistakes in that one as they did on the of Fort Sumter, the best thing to do is Trash it. Robert Anderson was essentially a Southern Sympathizer & recommended to Lincoln they abandon Charleston Harbor. Lincoln said NO & ordered him to hold it at all cost. Anderson was a loyal Soldier so he held it as long as it was feasibly possible. When he saw that further fighting would only cause a needless loss of the lives of his command, he surrendered. He and his troops were escorted by Confederate vessels to Union ships which had been held outside the Harbor, no prisoners taken or no further loss of life, which for the entire battle had been ONE Union Soldier, & he was killed by an exploding powder Keg inside the fort. When informed off the Surrender Lincoln said that's OK, it served its purpose. Its purpose was to give Lincoln an "Excuse" to call for 75,000 troops to put Down the Southern Rebellion, which was of course Un-Constitutional.

Wikipedia is less useful than toilet paper. It is so politicized and bent towards one point of view in everything and in every way. Sad, because it was a neat idea...like all of the Leftist ideas, it sounded great, but failed when implemented.
The American Revolutionary War was America's first civil war. It was Tory Loyalist vs. Patriot Rebel, all from the same towns, same counties, same colonies, same families, from one end of the colonies to the other end. Whether we call it a civil war is immaterial; the net result was that neighbors were shooting at each other, like in a civil war. America nearly fought a civil war in 1794 over the issue of slavery, but postponed the inevitable clash by leaving the issue up to new states as they were admitted to the union. Bleeding Kansas etc. Even as the Plains Indians were starting to really fight back, too little too late, too primitive. None of this is worth re-litigating, because those of us here probably have a lot more in common than what divides us, and another civil disturbance seems to be looming ahead

you guys are so funny...wikipedia is wrong when it tells you what you dont wanna hear...but, i bet you love it when it tells you what you do wanna hear...i have never found mis info at wiki...it may not be perfect...nothing is...

however, it is the best source of factual info that i have found on the net...if you have a better one, please do let me know...

meantime, do report here any data you see posted in the wiki article about loyalist, that you can prove is false...

ED;
Another interest of mine is antique Sewing Machines {non-electric). Write-ups on some of these is about as accurate as saying Moses Built the Ark in order to cross the red Sea.

Wiki articles can be written by anyone. Many have absolutely no qualms about letting a few acts stand in Their Way.

What dd I post that you found Non-Factual?

No, the American Revolution was not a "Civil War". The Tories were not trying to take over the government, they were trying to ensure it remained in the hands of England. There were Union strongholds in the South as well as Confederate strongholds in the North. This did not make this a Civil War either as the fight was not for control of the same Government, but of the Right to form a New Nation & Government.

an miller, no one detests lincoln here more than me, except perhaps you...

but, in fairness, please cite the source that claims to have heard lincoln state that it is ok that fort sumter surrendered and that it served its purpose...or were you actually there, when the great usurper uttered those wicked words? and, if you were there, then why didnt you shoot him when you had chance...thereby, saving us from all of the death, destruction and misery that followed...

and as to the constitutionality of raising troops to put down rebellion, that power is somewhere in the articles, as i recall...and certainly in the president's oath of office...

ever hear of the whiskey rebellion...

https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/whiskey-rebellion

a rebellion put down by the power of president washington...

civil war, as defined by webster:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil%20war