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I apologize for the off topic post but I wanted to tap into this learned audience. Where can I find go info on force breaking a dog to retrive? I have a vague recollection of my grandfather doing something similar to his pointers but I was too young or too dumb to get him to teach me. Thanks, Tyler
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James Spencer, in his book "HUP!", describes a very nice method of conditioned retreive that works well. His method is one that can be used by the non-professional as it doesn't require causing your best buddy any pain or discomfort.
Disclaimer: Although I watch Cesar Millan, The dog Whisperer, on TV I should in no way be considered any kind of dog training expert!
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Tyler:
Hood Harris used that method at Wheeler between Muscle Shoals and Decatur, Alabama, but I don't know if he is still training dogs. Are you referring to training them on a table with a checkchord?
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Lastly we come to the "forced retrieve" method. My advice is not to engage in it. If you have a spaniel or retriever that requires you to resort to this, then you have a dog not worth training. Get him a good home as a pet and start again.
Ken Roebuck, Gun Dog Training Spaniels and Retrievers (Force fetching) is instilled by a procedure that makes a dog do what he is not inclined to do in order to avoid a painful alternative. I am inclined to look on it as a last resort measure.
Dave Duffey, Dave Duffey Trains Gun Dogs At no time must punishment be connected with the physical act of retrieving. Forced retrieving should be avoided.
Talbot Radcliffe, Spaniels For Sport Force fetch is not universally admired. Think carefully before you start on any training procedure.
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Please have a look at Training your Retriever by James Lamb Free, the definitive classic as far as I'm concerned. If you've got a palooka, get rid of it. It costs no more to feed a dog that wants to please.
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Tyler,
+ 1 on Hup.
You didn't mention what kind of dog - If it's a pointer, check out the training seminars by Rick Smith. I thought it was a great couple of days and I learned a lot. Rick doesn't train your dog, he teaches you how to train your dog. He does use volunteer student's dogs to show how to train various things and he demonstrated force breaking very well.
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Lastly we come to the "forced retrieve" method. My advice is not to engage in it. If you have a spaniel or retriever that requires you to resort to this, then you have a dog not worth training. Get him a good home as a pet and start again.
Ken Roebuck, Gun Dog Training Spaniels and Retrievers
Sorry but have to disagree with this one... I always work a dog to retrieve without force breaking, but I have seen some dandy dogs, that needed it.. and it made them even that much better. Its like a child, sometimes they need to be spanked.
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Force fetching a dog is an activity that many people, perhaps most should not engage in. It is time consuming, not very enjoyable for the humanoid--at least at first. Done correctly and without pain to the dogs, they actually look forward to that time on the line but you have to do it in very small increments. I now do it with a pinch collar and it takes about 6 weeks--doing it every day, 5-10 minutes once or twice a day. Now every dog (pointers & shorhairs) in the kennel is a gung-ho retriever, water or land. But to do it you have to have the mind set that the dog WILL comply; never get angry when they refuse you, just patiently make them do it.
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I have John Lamb Free's book and found it to be very much the book I reach for when I have a question. I also have a number of other, more modern books and find most of them simply regurgitate the same material. JLF's book provides a simple, no nonsense approach to all aspects of training.
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