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Sidelock
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Steve Smith on the Beretta show uses a 20 gauge O/U with one choke cyl. He had a segment on one of the shows about it. (Don't remember the writer's name long ago (a little help Larry Brown)who said "Imp.Cyl. will make you a good shot but cylinder will make you a cracker jack of a shot."
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Sidelock
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I once owned a fine Prussian 12bore 30" J.P.Sauer that I had regulated to pattern my reloads at 40% and 50%. In one season in southern Michigan, I killed 12 phez with 13 shots and then promptly sold the gun - made great sense at the time.
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George, that Prussian 12 bore shot almost as well as a borrowed gun! ;-) ;-)
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George, George, George...
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Cylinder bore deforms shot the least, since there is no added deformatin, thus giving the most even pattern distribution, all other things being equal.. Shot cups add a bit of choke anyway. Many early game guns were made cylinder bore in one barrel in spite of felt wads. Patterning is the true test and handloading can adjust pattern sometimes more than a hone can...
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Curious Snow... What's your reference for the assertion that cylinder is the most even distribution?
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"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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IMO, The best chokes are WS-1/WS-2, They are very affective and they were designed to a more even pattern than Cyl/IC.
WS-1/WS-2 are not the same as todays standard SK/SK.
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Skeet 1 and Skeet 2 are usually .005 and .015. which is what I use for all of my hunting although I wish I had more on blue quail.
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Imp Cyl "Was" designed to do just what it's name implies, IE improve the pattern of a cyl bored gun but to not greatly decrease it's spread. Most American & Continental guns marked I/C are in reality ¼ choked guns, a degree tighter than I/C. I too would love to see "Proof" that cyl bores give a more even spread than an I/C & also that WS1/WS2 chokes give demonstrably better patterns than other makes with similar constrictions. Count me among the Skeptics.
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I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Jimmy, that quote isn't familiar to me. However, in Bob Brister's book "Shotgunning: The Art and the Science", he starts his chapter "Choosing Chokes and Loads" with the following sentence: "Full choke is a demanding mistress; improved cylinder a forgiving friend."
I spend a lot of time hunting pheasants, and the R barrels on the two doubles I use almost exclusively (a pair of Army & Navy 12's) are both choked .005. Good to see so many folks here understand the value and usefulness of open chokes!
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