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SR Griffin / Kornbrath is my vote. Im fairly certain Ive seen that bison in Kornbrath catalogs or rifles attributed to him. I know, I know, theyre all Kornbrath...
Im 95% on SRG. Checkering pattern is known, the rounded bottom of the stock adjacent to the floorplate, no cheek piece, overall shape of the butt especially the comb nose, long forend. Little doubt.
There were several early SRG stocked rifles that had Pope barrels. Pope liked them long and could certainly do 27. Not sure who else was making anything longer than 26? On a Pope barrel there was an unusually long straight section just in front of the receiver. This one isnt Exactly the same, but its not the standard contour either.
Take a look at Dans SRG / Pope on another thread
I think its was on the low side of retail if thats what it is.
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How about this scenario: A W&S rifle, ordered without the cocking piece sight, Lyman 48 sight substituted, rebarreled by an unknown gunsmith, in a caliber longer than the action was designed for, the non-hinged floorplate bottom metal substituted later for the original bottom metal, which would have had a magazine box too short to accommodate the .400 Whelen.
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If it's a Pope barrel it should have his code for the bore data stamped on the underside of the barrel. Many had his name stamped on the top, but not always. Especially so on his later barrels.
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I feel strongly the 400 Whelen was made in this country and I dont think that engraving was sitting on a shelf at Stoeger. This is a very high class original looking rifle to me.
There are pictures of Col Whelens 35 Whelen (originally a 400 Whelen) with that same engraving on the receiver. Ill try to find pics tonight and post some comparisons.
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Thanks Huvius for posting those images. There is an interesting article here Whelen 400 article I write specifically of the article from the Sept 1923 issue of the American rifleman. In it, Whelen himself describes the introduction of the 400 Whelen and how they are being made on Springfield, Enfield and Mauser actions of the 8mm type. The rifles pictured seem to have longer barrels.
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You can see in that article the ballistics of the .400 measured used A 27-inch barrel. Aswell the article mentions how each rifle will feature minimal engraving with options for more elaborate patterns. The quarter rib is also mentioned as being standard on the new .400 Whelen.
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How about this scenario: A W&S rifle, ordered without the cocking piece sight, Lyman 48 sight substituted, rebarreled by an unknown gunsmith, in a caliber longer than the action was designed for, the non-hinged floorplate bottom metal substituted later for the original bottom metal, which would have had a magazine box too short to accommodate the .400 Whelen. The W&S and the 400 Whelen have nothing to do with each other. I just showed that as I had the catalog with the same model W&S rifle offered that also happened to have a similar offering as the 400. The engraving that Stoeger offered wasnt sitting on a shelf waiting for a customer. It was done to the customers wishes by very talented craftsmen.
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Here I found another mention of the introduction of the .400 Whelen in February 1st 1923 edition of arms and man hosted on https://www.hathitrust.orgThe .400 Whelen rifle is a very high grade weapon of high power, made for those who desire the very best, regardless of expense. It is made by hand and costs $450.00, complete with ammunition, cases, re loading and cleaning tools, etc. No circular regarding it has been issued, only a brief announcement. The entire output for the next year has already been engagedInterestingly $450 in 1923 inflation adjusted is just about $6600 Today.
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With that last piece of information about inflation cost seems to me the buyer got a bargain.
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Indeed, but seven years later you could fill up the back seat of the car with them for $100 and change.
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