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moses #542015 03/23/19 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: moses
Originally Posted By: ed good
well, der you go agin keet...ah aint callin fur "disarming the American public"...i am suggesting that good citizens consider voluntary disarmament in the interest of public safety and social harmony...but, if one chooses to "keep and bear arms", then it is their constitutional right to do so...subject to state and local regulation...


I went to school, I learned reading, writing & comprehension, But I am still a little puzzled by the above.

So as I comprehend your writing Ed, the good citizens hand in their guns in the interest of public safety, right.

Since when have the good citizens who are law abiding folk been the problem when it comes to public safety. Them or their guns are not doing wrong. Use the guns responsibly & store the guns safely out of reach of sticky fingers & you have public safety.

Why hand the guns in ? What changes to being safer ?
Will most people if still free to exercise their constitutional right do so & keep their lawful property ?

What of the bad people & crims, will they still not be the same level of threat to public safety.

Could you please post sensible & workable & comprehensible solutions ?

O.M


Moses, once again Ed is showing us the "idioticy" in which he writes is a reflection of his true self, an idjit!

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Originally Posted By: moses
Originally Posted By: ed good
well, der you go agin keet...ah aint callin fur "disarming the American public"...i am suggesting that good citizens consider voluntary disarmament in the interest of public safety and social harmony...but, if one chooses to "keep and bear arms", then it is their constitutional right to do so...subject to state and local regulation...

....Since when have the good citizens who are law abiding folk been the problem when it comes to public safety....

King-n-ed might be looking at things based on their feelings. Law abiding can be a blur around creative enforcement.

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I think our friend Ed Good must have barely graduated from the Dogpatch High School-- His guidance counsellor, "Little Abner" decided his career path during his formative years, and his clumsy, ham-handed attempts at butchering the English language do his reputation no great service.

Ed- give it rest- it ain't playin' in Peoria!! Foxie!!


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King and Ed may prefer to live in communities where concealed carry is a rare thing, neighbouring New Hampshire not all that different from Nova Scotia (New Scotland). I can't speak for Ed but I believe that's what he was inferring. What's wrong with that?

Fox, I don't get hung up with language, grammar etc. I have four reference books 20 inches from my keyboard and make lots of mistakes. My closest friends are not articulate, country men, gentlemen, who I'd be honoured to have with me, anywhere, any time.

What's in their heads is what counts.



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Originally Posted By: King Brown
King and Ed may prefer to live in communities where concealed carry is a rare thing, neighbouring New Hampshire not all that different from Nova Scotia (New Scotland). I can't speak for Ed but I believe that's what he was inferring. What's wrong with that?

Fox, I don't get hung up with language, grammar etc. I have four reference books 20 inches from my keyboard and make lots of mistakes. My closest friends are not articulate, country men, gentlemen, who I'd be honoured to have with me, anywhere, any time.

What's in their heads is what counts.




What's wrong with that you ask, King. I'll tell you.

What Ed advocates does zero to make things safer. What Ed advocates does zero to lessen crime or reduce the illegal use of firearms. And if those were the only problems, fine.

But what Ed advocates also provides cover for anti gun zealots, anxious to remove all firearms from everyone but government actors. What's wrong with it is that Ed's solution is about making his preference, his personal choice, mandatory for everyone. The socialist way.

I must say I'm pretty disappointed in you, King. This thread was started, no matter how much you protest, as a finger in the eye to other members. Instead of enjoying some peace and doubleguns, in less than week, you couldn't resist a poke.

A trend?

I'll tell you what a trend is. A trend is anti gun zealots dancing on the grave of victims, using events like Christchurch to advance their political agenda while doing NOTHING to stop whatever level of carnage exists. A trend is the MSM gleefully publicizing every possible detail, no matter how irrelevant, to keep the event in the public eye, all at the service of their bottom line. All the while, creating a publicity machine that inspires other crazies.

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Two things should be definitely remembered.

1st; the 2nd amendment was not written about Sporting/Hunting guns or Target guns, it was about "Defensive" guns.

2nd as to inalienable rights "God" recognizes the difference between the defense of person &/or property & wanton Murder.

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Exo 22:2  If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. 
Exo 22:3  If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. 
Exo 22:4  If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep; he shall restore double. 


God recognized that even if the "Thief's" intent was only to steal, if the homeowner felt his life endangered or if in the process of retaining his property the Thief was killed, he would NOT be held accountable for the thief's death.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown



As for GunNutz, the forum I've tried to arouse to action is the pro-gun groups, of which I'm a member. It's discouraging. Last week, discussing the fraternity's malaise about what Ottawa is promising because of massacres, our local gunshop owner threw up his arms and said, "King, I'm done with it, finished, find me a buyer." If you knew Dan, he wasn't kidding.


King, there is a difference between your local gun shop owner and Gunnutz.

Your gunshop owner may have been worn down by 25-30 years of ever increasing efforts by the government to make him give up his business, through various bureaucratic means. He's just one man against the state.

Gunnutz, the on-line community of gunowners in Canada, is not complacent and far from throwing in the towel. If that's the impression you got, I'd suggest you need to look more closely. Numerous forums on gunnutz are devoted specifically to countering the antis, to publicizing that which the government would slip by us, to organizing protests. I can't imagine a more politically active forum. Over 200,000 members and more every day. We are double in size from when we brought down the gun registry.

The recent (early March) caravan of protest that traveled from Alberta to Ottawa was started on and organized in it's initial stages on Gunnutz.

And rest assured....as we approach the October federal election, people on Gunnutz will be organizing, requesting help and volunteering in specific ridings to try to unseat the gong show that is our current government, the one anxious to remove from private hands all handguns as quickly as they can. And cynically using Christchurch as the excuse.

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Originally Posted By: 2-piper
Two things should be definitely remembered.

1st; the 2nd amendment was not written about Sporting/Hunting guns or Target guns, it was about "Defensive" guns.

2nd as to inalienable rights "God" recognizes the difference between the defense of person &/or property & wanton Murder.

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Exo 22:2  If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. 
Exo 22:3  If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. 
Exo 22:4  If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep; he shall restore double. 


God recognized that even if the "Thief's" intent was only to steal, if the homeowner felt his life endangered or if in the process of retaining his property the Thief was killed, he would NOT be held accountable for the thief's death.



I hate to say this, Miller, but the Old Testament is a less than valuable tool when fighting to preserve your gun rights. In today's society, rightly or wrongly, in the mind's of the majority, it is source material that is viewed as irrelevant at best and perverse at worst.

While you and others may be, most today are not Bible literalists. To use it that way, in the literal sense, undermines your argument, in the majority view. And, of course, if the vast majority WERE literalists, we wouldn't have to constantly be defending these rights.

Not being critical of you or your beliefs....only pointing out it's not viewed as a credible argument.

The fact's are, however we got here, that everyone, and frankly every creature living, has a right to try to defend itself from attack and harm. THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES HAS NEVER BEEN GIVEN TO US BY A GOVERNMENT. The only thing a government can do is take away the means to defend oneself. Which they have been doing for 5000 years.

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Thanks, James. I'm attentive to media although don't go personally to social, a powerful instrument of organization promotion. What you're seeing hasn't visited us hereabouts. My gun club, formerly fiercest activist in the province, lost its steam and individual efforts of rallying interest has feeble results. The West is the beating heart but with print disappearing magazine shelves no longer sell the national publicationI The Gunrunner; I doubt it's published now. I read daily the same stuff as you --The Star, GnM, National Post, all of conservative orientation except The Star. Their editorial and news columns are 100 per cent anti-gun, no public blowback. That's not to say if it's not printed it isn't there but general readers shouldn't be faulted for thinking the "new normal" is here.

In my work, I can say empirically that the most powerful promotion is word of mouth. No one is talking about what's coming around here. Is it same in your oasis of quiet contemplation?

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King, 200,000 members on gunnutz. They are only just figuring out they can be a powerful lobby. In active public membership they dwarf the antis.

But as you know there is a powerful, and now government subsidized to the tune of $600 million per year, MSM ready to do the government's bidding to keep that cash flow coming. And one tactic, at government direction, that they follow regularly is the broadcasting of misinformation, outright lies and scare tactics, designed to herd the general populace in a particular direction. That's no tin foil. We now have Trudeau's chief of staff Katie Telford on record as saying "say the word and we'll have 100 op-eds published next week".

Trudeau's government has brought us to the brink of loss of democracy. It's no joke. And folksy, ambiguous anecdotes simply add to the confusion and harm.


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