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Originally Posted By: BrentD
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
All my guns get meticulous care and maintenance. I would say that most people I know who hunt, dont fall into that category. I only know one other guy who regularly shoots a double, my friend Lloyd3, and he will mix it up with pump guns as well, same as me.
We have -30 here today, I have hunted in mid 20s below, but, I was a younger dude when I did it, and might not have it in me anymore. If I did attempt it, Id use my Browning A5, as it has been reliable for both of its owners since 1952. Dad never had a hiccup with it, and neither have I. It gets cleaned and lubed at every use, same as the other guns. My belief is that the synthetic lubes that I use on the shock in the A5, and the others guns, as well, helps keep it running. But, Dad never had those lubes, and just used lighter oil when it was cold.
If you had one that didnt work, there was a problem with the gun, that simple. Light loads in a gun with a brand new set of springs can cause issue, but the fix is really simple-put the old springs back in, and lube the shock.
Brent, sorry you had an issue with one. Broken guns on a hunting trip suck. That said, Id be looking at why it was acting up, instead of blaming the design. Unlike the first SBE, the A5 and model 11 run pretty well, if taken care of.

Buzz, if you lived here, the police would be notified, and your dogs would be taken away from you. It happens all the time. I have a Setter, and understand the breeds limitations in this part of the country. Sub zero temps overnight and outdoors are beyond what a field Setter is capable of. My dog lives with me, indoors.

If you hunt with Huskies, I suppose they are fine out there. You would still have issued with the law in this part of the world, right or wrong.

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Ted, when I owned the M11, it came to me in very good condition but unused for many years. So I stripped it down and cleaned and lubed and got it in fine shape. But it did not last the first trip to the sandbar before it jammed. Kansas sandbars are special. There is more sand flowing on the bar than there is water in the river sometimes. It may have behaved better in other environments but I wasn't about to keep a gun that needed a complete stripping and rebuilding after every morning outing. As a grad student at the time, I had other things to do and a very dependable 870 that was every bit as "attractive" as the M11 with much room to spare and I also had my grandfather's other shotgun -an 1897 Winchester. It also has never failed. At that time, the vast majority of my shotgunning was on sandbars from the beginning of the season until freeze up in January, so my guns were chosen around that environment and my wallet was VERY thin at the time.

The other thing about the M11 is that it, one time, tripled on me and dumped the entire mag on a single duck. It was cold then too, so maybe my gloves had something to do with that event. Afterwards, it stood in the closet until its time to move came. And then it went.

It might very well have been that particular gun or something I did wrong in the cleaning of it, but it was not trustable, better alternatives were at hand, and it had no cache for me at all.
The Model 11 likely needed a new set of springs.....


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Could well be, buzz. I didn't know a gunsmith in Lawrence, Kansas at the time, and probably couldn't have afforded him if I did. I don't see it as much of a loss. I'm not sure why anyone is particularly attached to the M11 or the A5. I think there are much better guns for the money, but sometimes it's not all about the bare bones dollar values just like I much prefer side by sides to over/unders, even though the latter are supposed to be so much better. We all have likes and dislikes.


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As I have pointed out before, Keith's defense of your obnoxiousness has emboldened you to pollute every thread possible with your drivel.


James, this is a steaming load of crap, and you know it. JOe is no different now than he was when I first entered this forum. He has always been somewhat gruff and abrupt, and takes no prisoners. It is who he is, and unlike a lot of seriously obnoxious guys here, he does not tell us repeated lies or work to undermine our gun rights. Nor is he a fake, plastic fraud who operates under a veil of fake civility. jOe has been critical of me, and I have been critical of him. But he has never stooped so low as to lie about me or drag my family into any fray, unlike a couple guys you feel are worthy of continued consideration.

If you really want to shine a light on obnoxious people, you could certainly do better. Why do you target jOe, who actually contributes both money and double shotgun knowledge to this site, instead of going after a useless POS like BrentD? BrentD has stated his intent to continue his call to bankrupt this forum, while engaging in the same behavior that he claims as the basis for his boycott? He is obviously mentally sick.

Stop bringing me into your hard-on for jOe. It is wrong, and you could easily choose a more worthy target. There is no shortage of Trolls, fakes, frauds, FUDD's, or anti-gun liars here.


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Originally Posted By: canvasback
As I have pointed out before, Keith's defense of your obnoxiousness has emboldened you to pollute every thread possible with your drivel.


James, this is a steaming load of crap, and you know it. JOe is no different now than he was when I first entered this forum. He has always been somewhat gruff and abrupt, and takes no prisoners. It is who he is, and unlike a lot of seriously obnoxious guys here, he does not tell us repeated lies or work to undermine our gun rights. Nor is he a fake, plastic fraud who operates under a veil of fake civility. jOe has been critical of me, and I have been critical of him. But he has never stooped so low as to lie about me or drag my family into any fray, unlike a couple guys you feel are worthy of continued consideration.

If you really want to shine a light on obnoxious people, you could certainly do better. Why do you target jOe, who actually contributes both money and double shotgun knowledge to this site, instead of going after a useless POS like BrentD? BrentD has stated his intent to continue his call to bankrupt this forum, while engaging in the same behavior that he claims as the basis for his boycott? He is obviously mentally sick.

Stop bringing me into your hard-on for jOe. It is wrong, and you could easily choose a more worthy target. There is no shortage of Trolls, fakes, frauds, FUDD's, or anti-gun liars here.


Keith, hope you aren't freezing too badly down in PA.

I occasionally target jOe as I would any loudmouth obnoxious prick in the bar who can't keep his mouth shut but has to denigrate any and all the patrons. jOe contribute to the forum? That's a laugh. He's been caught numerous times perpetuating bullshit about gun mechanics. I'm no expert so I keep my mouth shut and listen. jOe has to shoot his mouth off. Besides, you have everyone else covered...those who deserve it and a few who don't.

And it's hysterical you call Old Colonel Alice Kravitz......because if anyone was spending time policing this forum and sticking their nose into other's business, it's jOe.

Ever since you stuck up for him there has been a pronounced uptick in his posting and his willingness (which has always been there) to be our resident nattering nabob of negativity.

BTW I don't think anyone who has dragged your family into the fray here are worthy of continued consideration. But there is only really one who has done that, not counting all the times you bring it up yourself. Like in the post I quoted above.

jOe is practically the definition of an internet troll, but you think, simply because of his support of the 2cd, that he's deserving of our continued consideration. I beg to differ.

Sorry, but as long as the coward jOe hides behind the safety of your skirts, I'll be drawing attention to that.

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When I was a teenager in 1955, I bought a Winchester M50 for duck hunting. I liked it better than my dad's A5 and mod 1100 Remingtons.
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I dont see any cowardice in jOe. Wheres that coming from? I havent seen Keith run to his rescue. Keith voices agreement with jOe occasionally, but I dont see any more than that. Sometimes jOe is wrong, but sometimes hes right. I think that can be said of us all. Sometimes his posts are meant as jokes and are amusing. I just dont see where hes hiding behind anyone. Sorry. And to qualify this, let me assure you, Ive been in his gunsights before too.

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I've never needed to hide behind or from anyone Internet or real life...

Especially long winded blOw hards from Canada.

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Originally Posted By: buzz
I dont see any cowardice in jOe. Wheres that coming from? I havent seen Keith run to his rescue. Keith voices agreement with jOe occasionally, but I dont see any more than that. Sometimes jOe is wrong, but sometimes hes right. I think that can be said of us all. Sometimes his posts are meant as jokes and are amusing. I just dont see where hes hiding behind anyone. Sorry. And to qualify this, let me assure you, Ive been in his gunsights before too.


There is cowardice in all bullies, buzz. Thats their nature.


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Originally Posted By: buzz
I dont see any cowardice in jOe. Wheres that coming from? I havent seen Keith run to his rescue. Keith voices agreement with jOe occasionally, but I dont see any more than that. Sometimes jOe is wrong, but sometimes hes right. I think that can be said of us all. Sometimes his posts are meant as jokes and are amusing. I just dont see where hes hiding behind anyone. Sorry. And to qualify this, let me assure you, Ive been in his gunsights before too.


Thank you buzz. I think your post is as accurate and unbiased as it could possibly be. I continue to consider James a friend and a great guy, but I feel he has taken his dislike for jOe to unnecessary extremes considering that there are several targets here much more deserving of derision.

James, at a balmy -5 degrees F here, my blood is still thin enough to realize that jOe has not changed a bit, and if he is posting more often than average, it is because it's wintertime and hunting season is over and there is more time to waste online. He has never needed to hide behind me or anyone else to be himself. I do consider his support for the 2nd Amendment to elevate him above the Trolls and FUDD's here that work to undermine it. But like it or not, buzz was absolutely correct in his response to you. Considering some of the differences of opinions he and jOe have had, it was big of him to stand up and say it. And jOe doesn't come anywhere close to my internet stalker Gladys Kravitz.

Oh, one more thing.... If I did wear a skirt, I would flash a hairy moon at you. Think about that one bucko! laugh


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I read about duck hunting on those Kansas river sandbars-John Hewitt detailed a lot of those hunts in his book "The Winchester Model 12 as a Way of Life""-great stories about his boyhood days hunting and fishing in Kansas, with his father, twin brother, and other family friends--

John wrote for the older GSJ-- when Ed and Becky Gray were "at the helm".. He wrote, IMO, the best of the many hunting stories I've read, about coming down from Alaska to hunt pheasants in Kansas- in early November-- great story. RWTF


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