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When I am sitting in my boat swinging through the tops of surrounding bulrushes. And you're saying you can swing a S x S better "through the tops of surrounding bulrushes" than you can a O/U? Wow. SRH
Last edited by Stan; 01/24/19 08:42 PM.
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the fact still remains, o&u sales trump sbs sales nationwide.
yes, sbs's are still made and some good ones too.
but...how do we explain the popularity of the o&u today? How do you explain the popularity of any product? How do you explain the popularity of Cyrus McCormick's reaper? A fact most don't know is that after he made his, he had to wait 13 years for Mr Hussey's patent to expire before he could put it on the market. Mr Hussey had built a more advanced reaper besides. How do you explain the popularity of the Ford-Ferguson 9N tractor or the Singer sewing machine? None of these were absolute "Bests". Winning a popularity contest most often has nothing to do with Actual Quality. To quote an old saying, "It's Lonely at the Top". I'll just continue shooting my SxS no matter how lonely it gets. I'm pushing mighty hard on 81 yrs, my Lefevers are older than me, but all of them will outlive me by a long margin.
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if we can answer it....it may answer why the sbs is in decline.
I can say this with some confidence....we live in a world where quality isn't as important as it was 50-60 years ago.
and, the mindset was then that men learned mechanical skills from their fathers, to include: tool use, gun use, MORALS, saving, house maint, cleanliness, how to behave in public, and hunting skills.
today....?
its how to bake and change diapers while the woman goes out and brings home the bacon.
guns?
they wouldn't know the difference between a 10,000.00 gun from a 300.00 gun.
that may have had something to do with the decline of sbs's....AND American tradition too.
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Entry level 12ga SxS gun market is soft. Not many will argue that . But why? What is popular with competitive Clays shooters is not much of a factor in my opinion. SxSs have not been a factor in competition for many years. In addition many target shooters are not collectors or accumulators. They tend to have a few tools in the box and shoot the heck out of them.
No young shooters shooting SxSs. SxSs have been a small but dedicated nitch in the market for years. 45 years ago I was there only kid shooting a SxS. The new SxS customers I do see are 50 to 70 years old
So why?? I don't know but I have some thoughts. SxS shooters are a mix of collectors, accumulators , shooters and hunters. I think one cause is Its hard to get excited about a new birdgun when there is little bird hunting to get excited about in the country.
TV and magazines . Years back there were many bird hunting shows shooting and sponsored by SxSs guns. Same in Magazines page after page of SxS gun adds. Now TV is full of canned hunts shooting Semiauto guns and mag adds full of semi and O/Us. Chicken or the egg? I don't know.
I don't know that this is exclusively a SxS issue. Look what has happened to the 12ga Model 12, A5, and Superposed market.
When the economy tanked entry level guns of all types slowed and for some reason it has not returned with the growing economy.
Dealers will still make money if they know the market and buy at wholesale and sell at retail.
I guess I have more question than answers.
I think Mark hit the nail on the head. Upland hunting is dying, along with that goes the SxS.
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I started out with an A-5 which served me well for years. It even shot trap for me better than the Broadway Trap Superposed I picked up later. That was because the "new" drop didn't fit me well. Then at about 24 I picked up a 20 Ga Superposed at a show and that was my hunting gun for 30 years. I put the fanciest piece of wood I'd ever seen (and I was a wood dealer) and someone offered me a fortune for it. It fit me and was very light (under 7 pounds). It outshot everyone around me because of that and my quick reflexes. Things got even better with a featherweight Prussian Lindner sxs at about 5 1/2 pounds. I sell mainly sxs at shows...and no complaints.
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if we can answer it....it may answer why the sbs is in decline.
I can say this with some confidence....we live in a world where quality isn't as important as it was 50-60 years ago.
and, the mindset was then that men learned mechanical skills from their fathers, to include: tool use, gun use, MORALS, saving, house maint, cleanliness, how to behave in public, and hunting skills.
today....?
its how to bake and change diapers while the woman goes out and brings home the bacon.
guns?
they wouldn't know the difference between a 10,000.00 gun from a 300.00 gun.
that may have had something to do with the decline of sbs's....AND American tradition too. Man, this is Positively Bleak Street. Make America Great Again. Buy a sxs. ______________________________ Yes, I wish for just one time you could stand inside my shoes Youd know what a drag it is to see you. Bob Dylan
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Upland hunting in my part of the South isn't dying .............. it took bad sick with the BQD (bobwhite quail decline) but has held it's own since. Dove shooting and turkey hunting are not in the decline here, IMO. I have tried to do searches to determine if actual small game license sales have declined, but have struck out and can find no info for GA. if there is anything rarer to encounter in the field than an upland hunter carrying a S x S it's a duck hunter carrying one. When's the last time you saw a duck hunting show where anyone was using a purpose built S x S duck gun?  SRH
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....Its hard to get excited about a new birdgun when there is little bird hunting to get excited about in the country.... I think Mark hit the nail on the head. Upland hunting is dying, along with that goes the SxS. There's a quick fix for this, all a person has to do is get out and do it. There's tons of great hunting in the uplands, and more to be had in the lowlands.
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one would conclude that....its you 2 piper. youre a good seasoned shot.
the fact still remains, o&u sales trump sbs sales nationwide.
yes, sbs's are still made and some good ones too.
but...how do we explain the popularity of the o&u today?
as marks said...we have more questions than answers.
and lest we forget, thought provoking questions never have one answer.
It's called value for money and marketing.
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....Its hard to get excited about a new birdgun when there is little bird hunting to get excited about in the country.... I think Mark hit the nail on the head. Upland hunting is dying, along with that goes the SxS. There's a quick fix for this, all a person has to do is get out and do it. There's tons of great hunting in the uplands, and more to be had in the lowlands. Tell that to the millennial, they are the ones dragging down the statistics, its not my generation. They dont hunt and fish like the baby boomers do/did. Stan, you live in rural America. Maybe things are booming where you live, but it just isnt so for the rest of America. Hunting statistics are down. And, a small study population in rural Georgia is insignificant in terms of the overall data for the entire United States. Dont take my word for it: Check out the US Fish and Wildlife statistics on that (although they are likely on government shutdown now).
Socialism is almost the worst.
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