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Thanks Jani so is that "15.8" stamp something the Germans required the Austrian's to apply during the occupation? I don't know that I've seen such a bullet weight nor datecode on a bona-fide pre-WWII Ferlach sporting weapon?
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Raimey rse
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Raimey, during WWII Austria was integrated into the German Reich (as "Ostmark"). Consequently Ferlach was under German rule also so the German gun proof law was followed, including all marks. The only traditional Ferlach mark retained was the Carinthian coat of arms, as seen on the rifle in question.
Cheers, Jani
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Thanks for all the info!!! I plan to do a chamber cast and slug the bore soon.
Thank Robert
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8x60R is the smokeless version Kropachek bolt action rifle round. That replaced the 8x56R Kropachek BP round,,which was also used in the Guedes single shot rifle. All for Portugal, Steyr made rifles.
The 8x56R Kropachek case is not the same round as the 8x56R Austrian MAnnlicher. The Kropechek rounds (8x56/60R) use a case that is larger dia at the base,,like the Lebel round.
Maybe the bbl came from a sporter of some sort made up in the 8x60R Krop round. Then recycled here. It would have had to be set back a bit for rechamber to the 8x50R Austrian Mannlicher rd to remove the oversized rear chamber segment.
Does this sporter still use the M95 en-bloc clips for loading and feeding,,or has the magazine been converted to hold and feed cartridges w/an interupter and feed rail?
Interested to hear what the chamber & bore cast reveal.
Nice sporter. I had a couple 1/2stocked in 8x50R and they were very nice rifles. I made cases from 7.62 Russian at the time.
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Without measuring the boltface, it looks like it is still for a rimmed cartridge and would not hold 308, 8x57, or 8x60(Mauser).On reflection, an 8x50R chamber shoulder may "stop" a 308 cartridge close to the right place. This points out the danger of just trying a cartridge to determine caliber. Mike
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I just slugged the bore and it reads : bore .3135 and bullet dia .3285
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Hmm, The 8x50R used .323" bullets and the 8x56R used .329"; I was leaning toward 8x50R, but now I don't know. We often work with rifles that have a groove diameter larger than the bullet, but they are usually BP rifles, which this is not. Mike
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That's odd because the military rifles were just rechambered from the shorter 8x50R (round nosed bullets) to the longer 8x56R (spitzer bullets). You find all the military rifles with an "S" stamped on the barrel ahead of the receiver. I'm still hoping to find one still in 8x50R. Cramming hotter loaded .006 oversize bullets down the barrel must have been interesting.
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This was my first time slugging a bore and measuring the out come. My measurements could be off a little. Ill cast the chamber next week.
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