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No agenda, just calling 'em like I see 'em. The 2nd gen. 12 ga. Red Label was a vast improvement over the first, but it died soon after introduction. I like Ruger guns, but if you ever held an original 12 ga. Red label, you know what I'm talking about. VERY nose heavy due to overly thick barrels to accommodate their choke tubes, gaps in wood-to-metal and metal-to metal fit, horribly mis-matched wood, crunchy and heavy triggers, unreliable mechanically.

The best Red Label by far was the first run 20 ga. with the blued receiver and no choke tubes.
JR

My BIL has an early 12. He loves it. Me? Meh.
While some others might vociferously disagree, I see no reason to not "call them like you see (handle or own) them."

I also have one of those, 20 ga, 26", IC/Mod. Great chunk of wood on that one. I think the best Red Label is the 28 ga/28". Have one of those, too. I am guilty of liking Rugers.

I watched Matt speed shoot a round of Skeet riding on a unicycle once. Shot the entire round in less than two minutes. Went straight. Might be a video of it on YouTube. One heck of a shooter. Back many years ago, the service branches had several great shooting teams in clay target as well as what most people think of as marksmanship disciplines.

I saw John Michael Morris, of S. Carolina, shoot a round of skeet straight (25 X 25) from the hip in 60 seconds flat, timed with a stopwatch. He then shot a round of skeet, straight, from a bicycle shooting with one hand from the hip, as he steered the bike with the other.

I saw Tom Knapps former partner and now Benelli exhibition shooter, Tim Bradley, perform in Savannah a couple years ago. John Michael is so much better than Bradley he makes him look like a rank amateur.

SRH

There's two guys at my club who shoot Rugers. I've looked at both, not sure what gen. they are, but both have good wood to metal fit and decent wood. Ya, they look a little different, but nothing I find offensive.

Some of the guys at my club struggle with shooting a high/low pair in 60 seconds.........

Off topic, but regarding Ruger RL�s.....when I first got into double guns (early 1990�s), I remember fawning over a Ruger RL 20 gauge at a now defunct sporting goods store in Wichita. Rusty�s? Anyway...I thought it was gorgeous. Truth be known...I still like them. I�ve never owned one, but I would. I thought it was a nicer gun than the Citoris, Berettas, etc that I�d asked the to see. When I�d stop into that store to pick up reloading supplies, I would always ask the salesman if I could hold that Ruger RL. I couldn�t afford it (E-5 didn�t make as much as they do now), the salesman knew it too, but he didn�t seem to mind letting me dream.
I do know quite a few people that do or have owned them. I�ve never really heard a complaint other than reading on a few bbs�s about issues with barrel regulation. All the ones I�ve seen in action have worked as they should. If I ever get a hankering for a 28 gauge, it�ll be a RL.

And just to stay on topic....I still love my 3200. Took just a few limits of greenheads with it this season and I love taking it to the clays course too. And as to why they don�t make them anymore....bean counters. That�s it. Other guns can be made much much cheaper than the extremely well built 3200. And ya....they�re that good EEB.

People just need to understand that the 3200 is not an ideal rough or walk up hunting gun. With that said, if I was doing a typical push & block type hunt for pheasants, damn straight I�d block with my 3200. Clays, Doves, pigeons, waterfowling...the 3200 shines.

Well stated re the 3200, LeFusil. The Remington 3200 was and always will be one of the world's great over/unders. It's not for everything, but neither is any other shotgun.
JR

I have two 28� 28�s which I use to break in new shooters. I almost had to tell my son to breakup with my future daughter in law. She liked one so much she just did not want to give it back. Also have a 30� 20 which does well on Sporting Clays. Son has a 30� 12 that works well for him. Our total number of problems with all these guns is zero. Load them, shoot them. About as simple as it gets.