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On Nov 14, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Milton Fxxxxxx <Milt@Fxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
Dear James,

As you suggested I am attaching a photo of the FAIR Iside SxS to make it easier to identify it. I purchased it new in box with all paperwork on 10/23/18 from xxxxxxxx.

Specs:

12g
30 barrels
Serial number 288755
Imported by IFG NA LLC, Amarillo, TX on the barrel
76mm, 3 chambers

Ammo: Herters Low recoil

IC choke tube in the right barrel
Mod choke tube in the left barrel
Both tight


I patterned the Iside at 16 yards on a steel pattern plate, 42 x 42 using white Lithium grease on the plate.
The right barrel printed true to aim. The IC pattern was centered both vertically and horizontally.
The left barrel with your modified choke tube printed true vertically however centered about 8 to the left of center.

I love the handling characteristics of the gun and I love that I can change choke tubes to fit the situation since I shoot mostly older SxS guns.

I would appreciate your help in resolving this issue.

Mr. Fxxxxxxx,

We sent your info and pics to FAIR and they informed us that the pattern produced by your gun is within factory specs.
Sent from my iPhone


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This should give you an idea how they stand behind their quality. This is a brand new in box gun. It would be funny if it was not so sad.


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I haven't shot my Iside .410 yet. First chance, it will be shot on the pattern plate to check regulation. This is always my biggest fear in buying S x S guns. It is also a problem with O/Us, but not as often it seems.

FWIW, 8" is the allowance that Beretta cites for regulation as well. I think it is ridiculous, myself, that any gun manufacturer will allow that much error in building. Eight inches at 16 yards is awful.

Sorry you had this misfortune, Milt. I know how disappointing it is.

SRH

Edit: Just had a thought , Milt. Try all the other choke tubes in the left barrel to see if maybe, by chance, it is a bad tube that is causing this. If the others also print way left, you'll know for certain it's the barrels.

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Just a thought, but could the choke tube be at fault. I would conform it by trying another choke tube.
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Milt,
take a straight-edge and lay it along the forward most portion of the left barrel where the tube is of constant diameter. You should be able to see if it is straight or bowed inward along its length. If straight, the issue is the boring of the threads for the choke tubes.

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If so what is the solution ?

None.

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I'd try another choke tube also but I'm betting it won't solve the problem.

You'd think they'd want to see the gun and if it's off they should replace the barrels.

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Eccentric choke tubes can be made to correct this type of problem but at a fairly steep unnecessary cost on a new gun. You dont expect the need to fix things on a new gun like chokes bored wrong or barrels not regulated well.

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Barrel regulation isn't included in the price of junk guns.

I might add that all the vintage English SxS's that I've owned had perfectly regulated barrels.

When aimed like a rifle off a rest all the O/U'rs I've patterned all shot at least a 1/2 pattern low with the bottom barrel at 40 yards...a few worse.

The two 1960 vintage Winchester 101's I own a 12 and a 20 are spot on at 40 yards.

When Beretta or Browning is confronted about it you hear the same song and dance as you heard.

Manufacturers know that very few people that will go to the length of testing point of impact on their guns.


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Originally Posted By: KY Jon
Eccentric choke tubes can be made to correct this type of problem but at a fairly steep unnecessary cost on a new gun. You dont expect the need to fix things on a new gun like chokes bored wrong or barrels not regulated well.


I've heard all that but it's never worked out in real life for me....in my experience it's just been a waste of money.

Best to sell and take a loss...or shoot it and forget about it.


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