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Concerning TARP: As of Sept 27, 2018 Fannie & Freddy spent $191 B. Companies getting this money have repaid $286 B. Other TARP loans totaled $631 B. Of that amount, $ 390 B has been repaid, and the earnings on the investment of that amount total $338 B for a net profit of $97.1 B. Source: ProPublica. I'm sure it's possible to find a differing set of data from a conservative think tank, but I'd rather take the word of a non- partisan group.
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No Billy, we've already heard about how much TARP money was repaid, and about the corporations that did not repay all of the money they were lent. I'm talking about where the idea for TARP originated, and why it was necessary in the first place. Didn't you read my questions? If there was no financial crash due to a mortgage crisis, precipitated by Democrat lawmakers insisting that people who could not afford huge loans should get them anyway... there would be no need for any TARP Bailouts. And how about the other stuff you avoided like the plague? How about the failure called ObamaCare that left over 26 million uninsured, and dramatically increased health care costs instead of the promised reduction? How about the rise of ISIS, or Little Rocket Man firing missiles over Japan and accelerating testing of nukes? How about the massive trade deficits and vast increases in Welfare, Food Stamps, and the National Debt? How about his assertion that low GDP and chronic high unemployment would be the new normal? How about his relentless attacks on our 2nd Amendment gun rights Billy? And how about the question about Obama's fitness to be president, or fitness to pick anyone for a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court, when he is an admitted habitual abuser of illegal drugs as an adult, and there is photographic evidence that wouldn't require any FBI Investigation to see? How does that compare with unproven allegations about excessive beer drinking by Kavanaugh as a teenager? Is this how you taught school Billy? Did you teach your kids to run away from questions? You get another F for your incomplete work Billy. You'll never amount to anything, and you will probably spend your life as a loser, being envious of people who are willing to think and work. Oh, too late. It already happened to you. 
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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Teachers and Professors are typically left wing liberals, just like our bud here. The Professors are proving to be the most damaging to Kavanaugh. Now, tell me there’s no liberal left wing driven agenda in terms of destroying Kavanaugh. Most people with a brain can see what’s happening.
Socialism is almost the worst.
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I find it interesting that a number of commentators on this site can not make a point without using derogatory names and terms. They must think that name calling strengthens their argument. For me, it immediately devalues the point they are trying to make. I challenge all of you to make your arguments without name calling. Your arguments will in-fact be stronger. I know it can be difficult. It is for me.
A few weeks ago, while on an annual musky fishing trip to Minaki, Canada I said something that I regretted. It was during a game of 4-handed cribbage and after a few Perfect Manhattans. One of the gentlemen was someone I didn't know well but was a friend of my good friend. Booze, politics and religion should never be mixed. When this gentleman made the comment “Robert Mueller is Satan reincarnated” I quickly said “you must be a fucking idiot!” Yes, I said it. I was rude and wrong for saying that. Regardless of what he believes, there is no justified reason for name calling. I later apologized and the apology was accepted.
My behavior seems to be all too common in todays charged political environment. I am going to try to do my small part to change it.
Yes, I have voted primarily Democratic since George Bush Jr's second term. That means I voted Republican for about 41 years and Democratic for 13 years. You can call me what you want. Here is what I believe on the BV subject. I believed her and did not believe him. He is an incredibly intelligent man with the professional qualifications that would make a good SCJ. I did not believe him because of his emotional plea which was certaining heart felt. I believe his emotional response was because of his fear of what if would do to his family and professional life and because of a strong desire to be on the SC. Those are strong motivating factors. She had nothing to gain unless you are a conspiracy believer. Yes, the Democrats may have slowed the process down on purpose because of the upcoming mid-terms but I believe he did it and she is telling the truth.
I am ready to accect the findings of the FBI.
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TARP was signed into law by George W. Bush in Oct, 2008 prior to Obama's election. As for who and what caused the collapse, blaming only those who borrowed money they could never repay without blaming the banks that approved the risky loans is simply foolish and irresponsible. I miss Amarillo Mike. He could make a good case for a conservative position and concede a point when he felt fairness called for it.
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I find it interesting that a number of commentators on this site can not make a point without using derogatory names and terms. They must think that name calling strengthens their argument. For me, it immediately devalues the point they are trying to make. I challenge all of you to make your arguments without name calling. Your arguments will in-fact be stronger. I know it can be difficult. It is for me.
A few weeks ago, while on an annual musky fishing trip to Minaki, Canada I said something that I regretted. It was during a game of 4-handed cribbage and after a few Perfect Manhattans. One of the gentlemen was someone I didn't know well but was a friend of my good friend. Booze, politics and religion should never be mixed. When this gentleman made the comment “Robert Mueller is Satan reincarnated” I quickly said “you must be a fucking idiot!” Yes, I said it. I was rude and wrong for saying that. Regardless of what he believes, there is no justified reason for name calling. I later apologized and the apology was accepted.
My behavior seems to be all too common in todays charged political environment. I am going to try to do my small part to change it.
Yes, I have voted primarily Democratic since George Bush Jr's second term. That means I voted Republican for about 41 years and Democratic for 13 years. You can call me what you want. Here is what I believe on the BV subject. I believed her and did not believe him. He is an incredibly intelligent man with the professional qualifications that would make a good SCJ. I did not believe him because of his emotional plea which was certaining heart felt. I believe his emotional response was because of his fear of what if would do to his family and professional life and because of a strong desire to be on the SC. Those are strong motivating factors. She had nothing to gain unless you are a conspiracy believer. Yes, the Democrats may have slowed the process down on purpose because of the upcoming mid-terms but I believe he did it and she is telling the truth.
I am ready to accect the findings of the FBI.
So if the FBI finds nothing... AGAIN. Does that change your opinion of her or him? And I don't agree with you that she has nothing to gain. No conspiracy here.
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Oh, and while I'm at it I'll say Obama's biggest error was the failure to indict anyone in the market collapse. That seems unforgivable. I agree but usually we don’t go after congressmen and senators. The list was all democratic by the way. Dodd, Frank, and many others. Funny because I’m sure you want to put this on those greedy Republicans. Problem is this was not greed but Socialism at work. First you decide everyone needs to have a house then you encourage lending 100-200K to a buyer who could not get a 1 K credit card. Create a buying frenzy which convinces buyers prices are forever going to increase. A lot like pre 29 crash mind set. Once the bubble pops everyone gets a haircut. Well everyone except Dodd, Fraks and friends. How much did Bloomberg make on this? Ten billion? More.
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Yes, I have voted primarily Democratic since George Bush Jr's second term. That means I voted Republican for about 41 years and Democratic for 13 years. You can call me what you want. Here is what I believe on the BV subject. I believed her and did not believe him. He is an incredibly intelligent man with the professional qualifications that would make a good SCJ. I did not believe him because of his emotional plea which was certaining heart felt. I believe his emotional response was because of his fear of what if would do to his family and professional life and because of a strong desire to be on the SC. Those are strong motivating factors. She had nothing to gain unless you are a conspiracy believer. Yes, the Democrats may have slowed the process down on purpose because of the upcoming mid-terms but I believe he did it and she is telling the truth.
Just what do you find attractive about the Democrat Party's platform and by extension, the candidates? What is it you like about Democrats? JR
Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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Billy finally gave Bush some credit for initiating TARP, but still wishes to dance away from all of the other failures of his anti-gun Messiah Barack Obama.
He is still well below an F grade in his exam. A dunce cap is too good for a dim bulb like Billy.
I'll have to take Tom C at his word about his relatively recent conversion to becoming a supporter of anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats. His reasons for believing unsupported accusations from 36 yearsago that were denied by the few witnesses Ford named was weak at best, and reflective of his apparent Liberal leanings and disdain for pro-gun Conservatives.
He tells us how offended he is by some descriptive name calling. But he doesn't seem to be even a little bit offended by Liberal lies and hypocrisy. I happen to find it very offensive that guys like Billy, nca225, SKB, and others post outright verifiable falsehoods and even pretend to be moderate and unbiased when it is obvious they are nothing of the sort.
Most offensive, given that this is a firearms enthusiasts website, is their support for anti-gunners, and their ridiculous notion that they can claim it is in no way anti-2nd Amendment to support and vote for known anti-gunners. Expecting us to swallow that crap is much worse than calling someone a f*cking idiot. It is insulting that they think we are as stupid as they are, and would fail to pay attention to what they actually say and do.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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"Packing" the US Supreme Court is offensive to my sense of justice. That majestic forum should be a last best hope in our Country for fairness and wisdom. Packing the court either way places a heavy thumb upon the scales of justice. Justices should not be obliged to either political party.
Of course the present political climate makes keeping a fair and balanced court practically impossible. Ever since Roosevelt the Supreme Court has had a liberal tilt. Obama did his best to keep it liberal. Maybe it is the conservative side's turn to create balance. We held our nose and elected President Trump to do just that.
I hope we did not waste our vote and effort to elect him. He has tried to keep his promises and the minority party should not be allowed to prevent it, especially by the perverting the advise and consent function of the Senate with the subject scurrilous attack...Geo
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