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RMBill,

Sell me some proof that the USFS is under heavy pressure to strip the Nat'l forests and I may buy in. The current plan in question, which was developed under the Obama administration would involve less than 70,000 acres of select cutting over a 10 year period. 6500 acres/yr. Most of the cuts are 15 to 20 acres and not contiguous. This is hardly alarming. This is, I stress, select harvest, not clear cutting. This plan passed the test of public hearings, and elected officials. What are we paying them for?

Let's let the Pope sit this one out, OK?

Chief

I don't have a grasp of national FS issues, but in my region the Service has historcally been more responsive to the timber industry than to its management responsibilities, hence the lawsuits. I can't defend every one of them, but the gist of the effort has been to restrain road building and cutting in areas critical to wildlife habitat. In my state, logging has had a profoundly negative impact on bull trout. People here are fond of them and have made significant progress at restoring riparian areas crucial to their survival.

RMBill,

That may be so. And I'll let you go with that. I am a pragmatist, mostly and would like to see some results. Thanks for the civil discourse!

Chief

The Democrats should worry more about the thousands of American babies that Planned Parenthood executes than the few babies seperated from their illegal parents because they brought them into this country illegally.

The Democrat party thinks it's their right to decide who lives and dies...

Sorry to disagree, but it isn't "civil discourse" when one participant continually spouts dishonest propaganda in order to advance his Socialist agenda. And it certainly isn't "civil discourse" to frequently taint the air on a firearms forum with the idiotic idea that we should all shoot ourselves in the foot by supporting politicians who would work to take away our rights to own guns and hunt.

Billy hasn't responded to my last two replies to his lunacy. This is typical of what Billy and other Libtards do when they are smacked in the nose with their own hypocrisy. An even more predictable behavior from Billy is to make one of his relatively infrequent visits to the main Double-Gun forum here to make a few posts containing his Liberal Democrat dogma. When he gets caught in a lie or caught posting false data to support his position, he tucks his tail between his legs and slips out the back door. Then he reappears a couple weeks later in the Custom and Classic Rifle forum where some participants feel he should have immunity from being reminded about his lies and support for anti-gunners.

Of course, we have a few F.A.G.'s (Fake Ass Gentlemen) right here who often get all whiny and butt-hurt when Conservatives make political or Pro-2nd Amendment posts in this forum, but are strangely silent when fellow Libtards and FUDD's like Billy make political posts which denigrate the 2nd Amendment and the politicians who respect it. And if you point out and illuminate such disingenuous behavior, then they will work in symphony to attempt to silence or censor you. And they will consider such behavior to be the height of civility and good manners. Funny stuff!

Somebody give that man a cee-gar!
JR

I've just read all 8 pages of this thread. I don't understand how na�ve some people can be. Didn't Clinton say the Supreme Court had it wrong when they ruled it was the individuals right to own a gun ? Does someone have to hit you guys in the head with a 2X4 ? Understand this : Trump, and ONLY Trump, is the one person that even has a chance to save this country and return it to it's greatness. He doesn't owe anybody anything. There's not another Republican, or anyone, that has accomplished what he has. I usually don't comment BUT - God bless America, God bless Donald Trump, and Fu## you a$$h@le liberals.

No one here has said anything about George Will's column except that he doesn't like Trump. Will is a certified, lifelong Republican whose whole career has been political analysis. I don't expect many here to share MY views, but I have to wonder how many can simply ignore everything Will says. I would challenge Trump fans to refute Will's points. He has to be wrong, after all, or else all of you are fools and suckers.

OK Billy, let me explain the obvious. George Will simply doesn't like Trump, and he is also simply wrong about Trump. George Will is also no longer a Republican (more false information from you) , and Will hates Mike Pence even more than he hates Trump. In many ways, Trump is even more Conservative than Reagan, and he has been even better than Reagan on things like cracking down on illegal immigration, cutting out many useless and redundant regulations, and correcting deficiencies in Trade Deals that were negotiated after Reagan left office.

Many of these trade deals decimated our manufacturing and subsequently increased unemployment and the Welfare State while also reducing the number of workers and Corporations that were providing Income tax revenues. Add upwards of 25 million illegal immigrants willing to work at third world wages while also using our schools, health care system, and infrastructure, and you reach a point of wage stagnation and steady decline.

Trump is reversing that and would be doing even better if he was not being obstructed by Liberal Left Democrats and even some Republicans who are invested in the status quo of the Swamp.

Trump is crude and blunt and brutal. He says things in a way no other U.S. President in history ever has. But it is necessary and long overdue. You Libtards keep accusing Trump of Treason, destroying the planet, and everything including low grouse and quail populations, but you can't offer a shred of proof after a year and a half of Mueller and a team of partisan Democrats investigating him. Yet you turn a blind eye to the corrupt Clintons and your candidate who deleted over 30,000 emails and destroyed computers and Blackberries, not to mention the felonious act of using a private server for State Department emails that almost certainly were hacked into by our adversaries. I could just imagine what you and the anti-Trump idiots at CNN would say if he did those things and defied a Congressional subpoena.by destroying evidence of a crime.

Given a choice between two imperfect candidates, I will always choose the one who looks out for our Republic, our Capitalist System, our Constitution, and the 2nd Amendment which is so important to me. As a gun owner and hunter, it is important to you too, but you are too stupid and too invested in Socialist dogma to appreciate it.

I took the time to make a thoughtful reply to you. But you ignored my last few questions. Typical behavior for a Libtard hypocrite who thinks we would be better off supporting anti-gun Democrats who will increase taxes and take us down the same path as Venezuela and other failed and bankrupt Socialist countries.

The obvious question is why would a man like Will, who believes in limited government, not just fail to like Trump, but revile him in every way possible? He isn't claiming he's a Muslim or that he was born in Africa. He just says the guy is a fraud and that he can't possibly be trusted to do what's right for the country. The Republican Party no longer stands for a rugged individualism; that's history. Nowadays, what it promotes are the following: to deny and ignore climate science in favor of fossil fuels, to cut taxes for the rich, to let corporations do whatever they please, to loose protections for air, water, soil, public lands, and consumers,to reduce access to health care, to gut the social safety net, to reduce investment in infrastructure and education, and to increase military spending. Other than these minor details, what's not to like?