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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe


Has the CIA ever supported terrorists ?

Don't answer that Larry the clown you might offend one of your Islamic brethren.


Well Joe . . . if the "terrorist" concept had been in vogue back then, I expect the British could have called Washington and the founding fathers terrorists. As the saying goes: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The CIA supported the Contras in Nicaragua . . . until Congress made it illegal. Back in 2001, the CIA supported the Northern Alliance (and other Afghan rebels) who opposed the Taliban government, then in power in Afghanistan.

But it's way too complex for you, Joe. You'll hurt your head thinking about it. Just like there are Muslims on our side (the Iraqis who drove ISIS out of their country, for example), and the Saudis who are fighting AQAP (Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula) in Yemen. But you just can't get past the idea that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Personally, if someone has to fight the Islamist terrorists, I'd rather it should be other Muslims. That means we don't need to spend as much of our treasure, and less American blood, to get the job done.

Of course if you'd like to sign up to fight the Islamists, Joe . . . nah. You'll leave that to others.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe


Has the CIA ever supported terrorists ?

Don't answer that Larry the clown you might offend one of your Islamic brethren.


Well Joe . . . if the "terrorist" concept had been in vogue back then, I expect the British could have called Washington and the founding fathers terrorists. As the saying goes: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The CIA supported the Contras in Nicaragua . . . until Congress made it illegal. Back in 2001, the CIA supported the Northern Alliance (and other Afghan rebels) who opposed the Taliban government, then in power in Afghanistan.

But it's way too complex for you, Joe. You'll hurt your head thinking about it. Just like there are Muslims on our side (the Iraqis who drove ISIS out of their country, for example), and the Saudis who are fighting AQAP (Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula) in Yemen. But you just can't get past the idea that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Personally, if someone has to fight the Islamist terrorists, I'd rather it should be other Muslims. That means we don't need to spend as much of our treasure, and less American blood, to get the job done.

Of course if you'd like to sign up to fight the Islamists, Joe . . . nah. You'll leave that to others.


Col, that was very well stated. It's hard to argue your points, but they will! You know, when I was in the first Gulf War, I met a lot of arabs/muslims of all stripes, some were a-holes, other great human beings. Some hated us, and some like the Kuwaiti's loved us. All depends. Like in Germany during and after the war, not all Germans were Nazi's, but some painted all Germans with the same brush, just like some are doing here on this thread. Good point about some of these folks going over to fight Islamists, just let someone else do it!

Again, good post on your part!

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Originally Posted By: L. Brown

But if they all paid attention to the late Bin Laden and to ISIS, they'd all be joining up. They'd all be killing Americans, wherever and however they could--which Osama said was their duty. Which goes to show that not all that many of them--especially here--really believe it's their duty. Some people who don't understand Islam put joining the jihad in the same category as fasting during Ramadan, or the daily prayers. If that were really the case, we'd have WAY more jihadis to deal with here.


Here's the self-described Intelligence Analyst returning to once again contradict himself.

craigd is correct. Larry did admit that a lot of fundraising for the Jihad is done right here in the U.S. And Larry's statement above is an admission that Islam and the Koran commands Muslims to do Jihad and to kill Infidels who refuse to convert. Those who fast during Rammadan and take part in the daily prayers are being exposed to the same Koran that commands them to convert or kill infidels. If they quietly support Jihad or contribute monetarily to it, they are as complicit as the dollars collected in an Irish Bar that paid for the explosives that killed people in Ireland. The fact that many of them APPEAR to not be strong adherents to this philosophy could mean that they aren't actively involved, or it could mean that they realize that it would be stupid to actively do as the Koran commands them when they are in the minority in many of the countries they are emmigrating to. In that event, the future does not look promising when their numbers increase. Larry and Gregory would probably convert, so they'd be OK.

The fact that they kill more Muslims than non-Muslims only proves that their culture is violent, and they are more prone to kill those in close proximity to themselves. Here is a link to List of Killings in the Name of Islam in the Last 30 Days

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

This is part of the list of killings in the name of Islam maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com. Most of these incidents are terror attacks. A handful are honor killings or Sharia executions.

During this time period, there were 160 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 1028 people were killed and 799 injured.

If there were that many killed in mass shootings, the same Liberal Left Loons that defend Muslims would be screaming to ban every gun on the face of the planet!

I'm just wondering why Larry repeatedly insists upon straying away from the topic of ticks and Lyme Disease, and why he doesn't start his own Thread where he and Gregory could be off-topic Muslim Cheerleaders. That would also be a great place for Larry's older brother King to try once again to convince us that the Canadian Minister of Defense is a Muslim, when he is actually Sikh. And where in hell is a Thread Police-man when you need one?

I was glad to see 1cdog's link to the article about the French Company that is working on a new Lyme Disease vaccine. Those who think it's OK to just get on Doxycycline every time you get bit by a tick aren't considering the complex symbiotic relationship we have with beneficial bacteria in our gut, and elsewhere in and on our bodies. Those of us who spend a lot of time outdoors need to show that there is still a demand for such a vaccine here.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: gjw
....Col, that was very well stated. It's hard to argue your points, but they will! You know, when I was in the first Gulf War, I met a lot of arabs/muslims of all stripes, some were a-holes, other great human beings. Some hated us, and some like the Kuwaiti's loved us. All depends. Like in Germany during and after the war, not all Germans were Nazi's, but some painted all Germans with the same brush, just like some are doing here on this thread. Good point about some of these folks going over to fight Islamists, just let someone else do it!

Again, good post on your part!

Best,

Greg

Hey MSG, thanks as in the past for your service.

I'm of the opinion that Larry and yourself may be painting with a vague romanticized brush of the good ole days. During the first Gulf? Didn't Sadam use conventional tactics out in marginally inhabited desert? You do recall that the seventh largest military force in the world at the time was overrun in three days?

Larry's making it sound like it was good old US military tactics that the middle eastern enemy adopted. So, I guess you don't feel that at least some domestic attacks were, or may in the future be, at the hands of 'islamist terrorists'? Are we thinking we should bring muslim mercenaries to the homeland and hope for the best.

I can appreciate, and have said so of Larry's service, but he does not make a case by equivocating the intentions of the US, misguided or not, with the razor sharp focus of russian and iranian backed savages.

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You're wasting your time and energy with those two they both got smacked in the head with a camel turd one too many times....

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Hey craigd, thanks for the kind words. Anyway, as you stated the Iraqi Army was large, but it was a hollow shell. The rank and file of the average Iraqi unit were treated like dirt by the Officer Corps. No food, boots, no clean uniforms for months and no will to fight. I was in a PSYOP unit and we had hundreds surrender without firing a shot. They were glad to surrender. Even the Republican Guard Units were not that great. Some did resist, but most gave just gave some slight resistance and got the hell out of our way or were shot to pieces. Their equipment was Soviet which kept breaking down and couldn't match ours one on one or even five to one. The tactics they used were also Soviet, but they did modify them to fit desert warfare to some degree. The units that invaded Kuwait were nothing more than animals. The looting, rape and murder they did was horrible. SH needed to go period. He got his in the end.

The greatest threat to the US is Islamic terrorism. I also don't trust the Russian either, never have. Putin is just another Red Tsar trying to reform the old USSR. I think The POTUS Trump is spot on when it come to letting people in here. They need to be vetted and their backgrounds checked and rechecked especially if their from the Middle East. I thank God we have a man like Trump in office, a man of his word and he tells it like it is. Refreshing!

I wanted to point out that not ALL muslims are terrorists. It's like saying all Irish are terrorists because of the IRA. You cant's paint everyone within a group or religion with the same brush. Each group and individual needs to be looked at in their own right.

Hope this clears up some things for you.

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Originally Posted By: craigd


Larry's making it sound like it was good old US military tactics that the middle eastern enemy adopted. So, I guess you don't feel that at least some domestic attacks were, or may in the future be, at the hands of 'islamist terrorists'? Are we thinking we should bring muslim mercenaries to the homeland and hope for the best.



Craig, if that isn't a strawman, I've never put a match to one. Muslim mercenaries HERE? Right. How about the idea of Muslims fighting Muslims THERE, on THEIR turf, which reduces the likelihood of Islamist terrorist attacks here? Have we witnessed anything even remotely approaching 9/11 since we carried the fight to them on their turf? Do we currently have hundreds of thousands of American boots on the ground--or anything even remotely approaching those numbers? Helping the Muslims who oppose the radicals with much smaller numbers of American troops is working. It will be a long fight, but so far it has succeeded in protecting the US from anything like another 9/11. Currently, annual deaths from violent crime in Chicago far exceed those killed by Islamist terrorists in this country. Just to inject some perspective.

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Well said, Greg. Thanks.


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Thanks buzz! Just wanted to give my thoughts, of course I'll get flamed on them. But hey, at least we're in a country were we can speak our minds regardless whether we agree or not. Thank God for our far sighted founding fathers!

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Greg


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