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#515578 - 06/09/18 09:12 AM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: pmag]
Ted Schefelbein Offline
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Gil,
Seriously, if the Regis Darne factory was ever involved with bicycles, I have seen no evidence of it. Many were the small shops that finished and sold in-the-white Darne supplied actions, and I'd bet some of them dabled in bicycles-Peugeot comes to mind.

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#515619 - 06/10/18 10:04 AM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: GLS]
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Originally Posted By: GLS
In the list of former bikemakers Darne was omitted. Here's their expedition model cycle that, as was with their shotguns, didn't appeal with some folks over here.



They should have stuck to making bikes...I bet Teddy has at least two one for what ever azz he's wearing that day.
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#515623 - 06/10/18 10:52 AM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: pmag]
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There would be no point for them to make bikes as the Chinese can make better ones for less. One can get perfectly serviceable MTB from China for about $150. They even have shock absorbers in front forks and front brakes just like mini-motorcycles. The Great Leader is going to meet with North Koreans. Just think what victory it would be they that population could make stuff for less than Indians or Vietnamese.

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#515632 - 06/10/18 12:58 PM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: pmag]
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Four Stephanois gun makers who also made cycles:

Manufrance:


Peugeot:


Rivolier Pere & Fils:


Ravat (Wonder):


There are more. Berger who made bikes under the name "Robert" and mark "Robust" etc. Here is a list of bike manufacturers in France before WWII to give an idea of the number of firms involved - a lot of these are in the Haut-Loire (Saint Etienne) region:

encyclo des constructeurs d'hier

AGACHE / CYCLES DIRECT
AIGLON
AJAX / CYCLES AJAX
ALBUSSAC / CYCLES ALBUSSAC
ALLELUIA
ALLIBERT ET MAISONNAS / CYCLES LOUVET J.B.
ALPAR / MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE DE CYCLES / R.A.B.
ALTIRA / ALTIRA CYCLES
ARCHAMBAUD / GANOLO
ARLIGUIE / CYCLES ARLIGUIE
ARMOR
ARNAUD FRANCIS / EXCELSIOR
ARROW / CYCLES ARROW
ASTRALE / CYCLES ASTRALE / CYCLES VEDETTE / CYCLES WINCHESTER
ATELIERS DE MAISON ROUGE
ATELIERS DU FURAN
ATELIERS ROBERT FOUCHE
AUSECACHE FRERES
AUSTRAL
AUTECHAUD M. / MANUFACTURE D’ARMES ET CYCLES / CYCLES BON AVION
AUTOMOTO / SOCIETE NOUVELLE DES CONSTRUCTIONS MECANIQUES DE LA LOIRE / L’INDUSTRIELLE DU CENTRE
AVIAC
BACHELARD
BACHELIER
BACO
BAFFERT HENRI
BAGGI-SAMYN / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES BAGGI-SAMYN
BALLANDRAS G. / NILMELIOR / V.B.F.
BALLIS / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES BALLIS / CYCLES BALLIS
BARBIER L. / VIATOR
BARRA
BARRÉ M. / CYCLES BARRÉ
BARRET / CYCLES BLEU FRANCE
BASSALER J. / CYCLES VAVY
BASSET / MANUFACTURE DES BICYCLETTES BASSET / CYCLES BASSET
BASTIDE
BECK
BENJAMIN
BERNASSE
BERNHARD / CYCLES AVIETTE
BERTIN
BERTON A. / CYCLES BERTON
BIBOUD / LIBERIA / CYCLES LIBERIA / CYCLES VERCORS / CYCLES EDELVEIS
BILLOT P. / CYCLES FRANCE REINE
BILLOUIN HENRI / ALBATROS
BIONIER A. / CYCLES A. BIONIER
BLANC ET GAUTARD / FABRIQUE FRANCAISE DE VELOCIPEDES
BLANCHARD GRANGE / BGA
BLOIS GUY SPORT (GBS)
BOB FRERES
BOESCH JEAN-CLAUDE
BŒUF ET DESHAYES / CYCLES PHENIX
BOISIS
BOIZOT / CYCLES BOIZOT
BONNEFOND
BONNET JACQUES
BONNIVARD ET FICHER / MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES / CYCLES EXTAZ / CYCLES LOUQSOR
BOUNIARD ET BARRIERE / MANUFACTURE D’ARMES ET CYCLES
BOURDEL
BOURGEOIS FERNAND / ONOTO / CYCLES ONOTO
BOUROTTE
BRESSON L. / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES ET JOUETS BRESSON
BRUN-LATRIGE / MANUFACTURE D’ARMES ET CYCLES / CYCLES EXPRESS-ORIENT
BUSSET JACQUES
C.M.P.
CALMONT V. / CYCLES NEW-IDEAL
CAMINADE / CYCLES CAMINARGENT
CARRARA / CYCLES CARRARA
CARRE BERNARD
CASNAT
CASTAN
CATTANEO
CAZENAVE / PALOMA
CHABRIER / CYCLES CHABRIER
CHAMPEYRACHE / MANUFACTURE DE VELOCICPEDES
CHAMPON J-M / MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES / CYCLES STAR FLING
CHAPELET ROBERT / CHAPLAIT
CHAPOLARD ET GOUBET / CYCLES RADIOR / CYCLES VERLOR
CHARREL PAUL
CHARRIER ET CIE
CHICHERY ALBERT / CYCLES DILECTA / DILECTA
CHIRON ALBERT
CHOBERT L. / CYCLES L. CHOBERT 
CIZERON
CLEDIABER
CLEMENT ADOLPHE / CYCLES CLEMENT
CLERC RAYMOND
CLEVER
COCYMO
CODRIDEX ET FILS / ROYAL-CODRIX
COLOMB
COMBRIAT / CYCLES COMBRIAT
COMPAGNIE FRANCAISE DES CYCLES
COMPTOIR PROVENCAL DU CYCLE / CYCLES PAYAN / CYCLES REGENCE
COMPTOIR VELOCIPEDIQUE DU POITOU / CYCLES YBIS / CYCLES GENIUS
CONTINENTAL / CYCLES CONTINENTAL / ALESIA / L’ANGEVINE
CORIMA
CORRE JEAN-MARIE
COSSET MARCEL / MANUFACTURE ARDENNAISE DE VELOCIPEDIE
COTTEREAU / CYCLES COTTEREAU / COTTEREAU ET COMPAGNIE
COUPET ET BERTIN / CYCLE L’OREOL / CYCLES SYDIA / CYCLES B.E.C.
COURTOIS ET WENGER
COUSIN
COUTURIER ERNEST ET CIE / SOCIETE PARISIENNE DE CYCLES
CUROT A. / LA ROUE D’OR
CUSSET / CYCLES SIRIUS
CYCLEA
DANGRE BERNARD / STARNORD / STARFRANCE / NORVASPORT
DARDENNE
DARRACQ A. / CYCLES PERFECTA
DAUDON CAMILLE
DE DION-BOUTON
DECAUVILLE / CYCLES DECAUVILLE
DEJOUANNET MARCEL
DELAGE CLAUDE
DELANGLE / CYCLES DELANGLE
DELATTRE A. / GREEN STAR / ARLETT
DELCROIX FERNAND
DELIZY ET POIRET (DELIZY ET POIRET-BRASSART)
DELYS / CYCLES LE GLOBE
DEMONT / CYCLES TNOMED
DEPIERRE
DEPREZ
DESCHEPPER / CYCLES LE FAUCON
DESVAGES
DEVEAU C. / CYCLES L’INDIENNE
DIFFLOTH
DOLÉ J. / ROLAND
DOLEAC
DOMBRET AINE ET SES FILS / L’OURAGAN / CYCLES OURAGAN
DOURLENS / CYCLES PANDORE
DREVON / CYCLES C.D.F. (CYCLES DE FRANCE)
DUCHERON ROBERT
DUJARDIN
DUMAINE E. / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES LA TORPILLE / LA TORPILLE
DUMOND FRERES / CYCLES NEMAUSA
DUPONT CHARLES / DURAVIA / METAL AVIATION
DURIF / CYCLES OLYMPIA
DUTHEIL A. ET CIE / MANUFACTURE DE BICYCLETTES
E.V.M.
ELOI ROLAND
ELVISH / MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES ELVISH / CYCLES ELVISH
EMERIAU
EMERY PIERRE / CYCLES VOLTA
ENTREPRISES BAUD / BETTY
ENTREPRISES DIOT / CYCLES DEXTRAL
ENTREPRISES VIRLAT / CYCLES NANCIA
ERIOL
ERPELDING EUGENE
ETABLISSEMENTS BONNICHON / CYCLES ARGENTA
ETABLISSEMENTS BRION / CYCLES CHARLES MOREL / BONNET ET MOREL
ETABLISSEMENTS CALLA / CYCLES CALLA
ETABLISSEMENTS CONVERSY / ETOILE SPORT
ETABLISSEMENTS DEVAUX GERMAIN ET GABRIEL / CYCLES BRILLANT / CYCLES ORIENT
ETABLISSEMENTS FAUVARQUE / THOMANN JEAN / CYCLES HERCULE / CYCLES ROTAX / CYCLES AUXOR / CYCLES LA QUOTIDIENNE
ETABLISSEMENTS FEDERICI J. DE / CYCLES EMMEL
ETABLISSEMENTS FLINT / CYCLES ALL RIGHT
ETABLISSEMENTS GAUBERT / CYCLES ELECTRA
ETABLISSEMENTS GAUTHIER HENRI ET CHAPUIS LEON REUNIS / CYCLES CHIMERE / CYCLES HORER
ETABLISSEMENTS GOTTFRIED FRANCOIS / UNIC-SPORT
ETABLISSEMENTS HOUSSOUSLIEZ / LA CALAISIENNE
ETABLISSEMENTS JEANNE ET PHILIPPE / MESSINA / LA FRANCE
ETABLISSEMENTS LE MAO FRERES / CYCLES ROOLD / ROOLD
ETABLISSEMENTS MAIRE-VUILLEMIN / CYCLES MERVIL / CYCLES ERIAM / ASTERION / MERVIL EURAM / PONTI / LA PONTISSALIENNE / SUPER-MONTAGNARD
ETABLISSEMENTS MATHON / CYCLES BELLEDONNE
ETABLISSEMENTS METRAUD A. / CYCLES VALOIS
ETABLISSEMENTS NAUD / CYCLES SUPERATOR / CYCLES ROYAL RAMLYL
ETABLISSEMENTS PARNET / CYCLES EPSOM
ETABLISSEMENTS PFOHL / CYCLES PFOHL
ETABLISSEMENTS PROPHETE ET FILS / LUCIEN MICHARD / PROMO-VICHY / CYCLES GARRIGOU
ETABLISSEMENTS RENE MARTIN
ETABLISSEMENTS REY ET VARENNE / CYCLES REYVA
ETABLISSEMENTS SELCO
ETABLISSEMENTS THEO CYCLES
ETABLISSEMENTS THOMAS ET ROSSET
ETABLISSEMENTS TUCACHT / CYCLES HYGINA / CYCLES HYGINETTE / CYCLES BELLA / CYCLES LACK
ETABLISSEMENTS V.B. / CYCLES VANOLI
ETABLISSEMENTS VIGNAL
ETABLISSEMENTS VILLEMUS ROGER / ROYAL SAVOY / VILLEMUS
ETABLISSEMENTS YVARS
EVRARD G.
EZBELENT
F.A.C.
FABRE BAPTISTIN ET ROGER
FACHLEITNER / CYCLES ATLANTIC / CYCLES VIETTO / CYCLES FACHLEITNER
FAGEOT P. / MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE DE VELOCIPEDES
FARET / CYCLES FARET
FAURE A.
FAURE AUGUSTE / DEXTER / CYCLES DEXTER
FAVOR
FERNAND CLEMENT ET CIE / CYCLES FERNAND CLEMENT 
FERRAND GEO
FLETCHER / C.N.C.
FOLLIS
FONLUPT
FOREL / CYCLES ACIA
FORTIN P. / CYCLES DOLMEN
FOUCAUX CAMILLE / CONSTRUCTION MODERNE DE CYCLES
FRANCE MOTOR CYCLES
FRANCE-LOIRE / CYCLES FRANCE-LOIRE
FUCHS ET COMPAGNIE / CYCLES BENGALIA / CYCLES LA BEAUCERONNE
GALLIX
GARIN AMBROISE
GARINO
GAUCHET / CYCLES ODETTA / CYCLES LIBERTY
GAUTHIER
GAUTIER C. / CYCLES VULCAIN
GENTIL EDMOND / GENTIL ET COMPAGNIE / ALCYON
GERAL
GERARD ALFRED
GERKINET
GESLIN RENE / CYCLES HERGE
GITANE
GLADIATOR / CYCLES GLADIATOR
GNOME ET RHONE
GODMARD ANDRE / CYCLES LUTETIA, AIGLE, ALLIANCE, CHARMING
GOGLIN
GOUIRAND / CONSTRUCTION FRANÇAISE DE VELOCIPEDES GOUIRAND
GRANDS MAGASINS DU LOUVRE
GRAS F.
GRATIEUX FERNAND / CYCLES GRATIEUX
GRIFFON
GRIMAULT / CYCLES GRIMAULT
GROSJEAN FRERES / WANDERER
GUIGNARD E. / CYCLES GUIGNARD / COLIBRI / CYCLES COLIBRI
GUILLER / CYCLES ORIGAN / CYCLES ATLAS
GUINARD J. / CYCLES LE CERF / CYCLES KEOPS
GURTNER
GUYOT M. / LA PERLE
HABOURY A. / STROCK ET COMPAGNIE / CYCLES STROCK
HARAL
HELYETT
HERA
HERITAGE-PARIS
HERRERA CLAUDE
HERSE RENE
HUGONNIER ROGER
HURTU
IMBERNOTTE A. / CYCLES LION D’OR
ISRAEL ROBERT / CYCLES HOEL
JEUNET ANDRE / CAPTIVANTE / CYCLES JEUNET
JOURDE MARCEL
JUSSY / DOMBRET JUSSY
JUZAN GEORGES
KOEHLER-ESCOFFIER
L’AIGLE / SOCIETE D’EXPLOITATION DES ETABLISSEMENTS L’AIGLE / CYCLES NORDA
L’ETENDARD FRANCAIS
LA FRANCAISE / LA FRANCAISE-DIAMANT
LA GAULOISE
LA SOUPLETTE
LA TOURICYCLETTE
LABADIE HENRI / CYCLES ZEUS
LABOR
LACROIX / PARIS-SPORT / CYCLES HARRYS
LAFOND H. / CYCLES LAFOND
LANGENIEUX / CYCLES HUNTER
LAPIERRE / CYCLES LAPIERRE
LARIPPE A. / CYCLES L’ETOILE
LAUVERGNIAT ET FERRAND / OMEGA
LE BON DOMINIQUE
LE GOFF
LE GREVES
LE LIEVRE FREDERIC
LECOU / CYRANA / MUGUETT / RUY BLAS / HAMLET / RUGBY
LEJEUNE / SAUVAGE-LEJEUNE
LELEU
LEMASSON G. / CYCLES WARRIOR
LEPETIT / LEPETIT ET ROCH / CYCLES STELLIA
LES CYCLES SINGER
LEVI H. / CYCLES GALICIA
LEVRON J. / FABRIQUE DES CYCLES SYPHAX ET EMERAUDE
LEVY E. / MANUFACTURE FRANÇAISE DE BICYCLETTES / LA GUÊPE
LEYNAUD H. / CYCLES TAMBOITE
LIBERATOR / CYCLES LIBERATOR
LIMONGI GIUSEPPE
LODENOS PIERRE / VELOS PETIT-BRETON
LONGONI
LOUBRY ET MONTANET
LOUIS DIDIER
LOUVET FRERES ET CIE / FABRICATION FRANCAISE DE VELOCIPEDES
LOUVET. J.
LUCAS ET COMPAGNIE / LUCAS LOUIS / CYCLES ATLANTIDE
LUCAS ET UNDERBERG / PHEBUS
LUCER
LYJACK
MAGNAT-DEBON
MAHIEU / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES J. M.
MAILLIER ET MAUGER
MAISON CHEVALIER / CYCLES CHEVALIER
MAISON MONTOUCHET / CYCLES NERVURA
MALICIET ET BLIN
MALINGE ET LAULAN / CYCLES MALINGE ET LAULAN
MANUFACTURE ALSACIENNE DE CYCLES REY
MANUFACTURE D’ARMES ET CYCLES DE TULLE
MANUFACTURE D’ARMES ET CYCLES MACHINE A COUDRE / CYCLES REINOR / CYCLES CHIMERE / CYCLES OMEGA
MANUFACTURE DE CADRES GLORIA
MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES CHEVALIER FRERES / CYCLES LIADOR
MANUFACTURE FOREZIENNE DE CYCLES / VICTOR LINART
MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE D’ARMES ET DE CYCLES / MANUFRANCE / HIRONDELLE / HIRON / H / CYCLES MIMOSA
MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE DE CHATELLERAULT
MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE DES CYCLES HERCULE
MANUFACTURE MODERNE DE CYCLES CLEMENT DAMBREVILLE / CYCLES MURATOR / CYCLES ALBY / CYCLES RIDER
MANUFACTURE MODERNES DES CYCLES JANIUS
MANUFACTURE ORLEANAISE DE CYCLES / CYCLES WILLIAM
MANUFACTURE VANDEVOIR DELGRANGE / LA NORDISTE
MARCADIER ANDRE
MARCEAU / MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES MARCEAU / CYCLES MARCEAU
MARCELLE / CYCLES MARCELLE
MARCHAND FELIX, MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES FRANCAIS
MARIÉ ET COMPAGNIE / ACATENE / METROPOLE / ACATENE METROPOLE / ACATENE VELLEDA
MARTIN GEORGES
MATHEVET
MAURY ANDRE / S.E.C.T.A.M.
MAYEUX
MAZOYER / CYCLES METALLOPLAN
MECACYCLE
MEGRET F. / CYCLES MEGRET
MEMES PIERRE / CYCLES BLANCHE HERMINE
MERAL
MERCIER
MESSNER LOUIS / ETABLISSEMENTS MESSNER / CYCLES REXOR
MESTRE ET BLATGE / LUCIFER / GENIAL LUCIFER
MEUNIER CLAUDE / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES AQUILA / CYCLES AQUILA
MICHAUX / CYCLES MICHAUX
MICHEL ALAIN
MIDAVAINE
MILDERS FILS / LE CYCLONE
MIOSOTIS
MOIRE LOUIS / CYCLES GOELAND
MONET-GOYON
MONGILARDI FRANCOIS
MONGIN
MONOTUBE / CYCLES MONOTUBE
MONTAKO
MOREAU FRERES / CYCLES ESPER
MOTAREX / CYCLES MOTAREX
MOTOBECANE / MBK
MOTOCONFORT
MOTTE D. /  SOCIETE DES ANCIENS ETABLISSEMENTS MOTTE / USINES DE CONSTRUCTION MECANIQUE / CYCLES MOTTE
NARCISSE
NEUHARD ERNEST
NOUBEL / CYCLES TOLOSA NOUBEL
NOUVET
NOVER / CYCLES NOVER
OCEANE / CYCLES OCEANE
OLYMPIQUE / CYCLES OLYMPIQUE
OMNIUM / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES OMNIUM / CYCLES OMNIUM
ONFRAY / FABRIQUE DE VELOCIPEDES
PAGIS HENRI / REGINA
PANEL JOANNY / LE CHEMINEAU / L’ISOARD / RICH-LAND
PANNETTON G. / CYCLES PANNETTON
PAPILLON / SOCIETE FRANCAISE POUR LA CONSTRUCTION DES CYCLES PAPILLON
PARIS FRANCE / CYCLES LA RAFALE / CYCLES HANSOME
PARTNER / CYCLES PARTNER
PASQUET PAUL / CYCLES PASQUET
PATTRE P.
PETIT-JEAN J. / CYCLES PETIT-JEAN
PEUGEOT
PEUGEOT CYRUS
PEUZIAT GEORGES
PHILIPPE
PHILIPPO ET FROMENTIN / CYCLES BOREAL
PICARD-FAYOLLE / CYCLES WARRANTED
PITARD LOUIS
POLCHLOPEK EDMOND / CYCLES EDMOND POLCHLOPEK
PONCE / CYCLES ONYX / CYCLES JOCKER
PORTIER / MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE PORTIER / PORTIER ET MERICANT
PROUVÉ JEAN
QUILLARD / CYCLES RUCHE
QUINARD / ELIMS PIERRE
R.P.F. / CYCLES R.P.F.
RANDO-CYCLES
RAVAT / CYCLES RAVAT / CYCLES WONDER
REBOUL ROBERT
REGNAULT ET DESOUBRY / CYCLES PEERLESS
REISS ANDRE / REYHAND
REMOND CH.
RENAULT
RHONSON / CYCLES RHONSON
RICHARD GEORGES
RIVA-SPORT
RIVAL / MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES RIVAL / CYCLES RIVAL
ROBERT R. / BERGER / CYCLES ROBUST
ROCHE ROGER
ROCHET / CYCLES ROCHET
ROCHET ET SCHNEIDER
ROCHET JEAN-FRANCOIS
ROLL LUCIEN
ROQUES / MONO-DAME
ROUBY LOMBARDY
ROULLAUD
ROUTENS JO
ROUVEYRE C. ET CIE / SOICIETE FRANCAISE DU CYCLIDEAL / CYCLIDEAL
ROUXEL ET DUBOIS
ROVIN
ROYAL ASPORT
ROYAL BARBIER
RUFFIN LOUIS / CYCLES ESSOR
RUPALLEY GEORGE / CYCLES ALUMINIUM
S.I.A. (SOCIETE INDUSTRIELLE D’ALBERT)
S.I.F.E.M.
S.M.G.
SABLIERE ANDRE
SAINT-MARTIN GERARD / CYCLES SAINT-MARTIN
SALMON DANIEL / CYCLES SALMON
SANITAS / VELOCIPEDES SANITAS
SANSECOUSSE
SAUVAGE
SAVANA DELACHANAL / DOLLAR
SAVOYE E. / CYCLES PERNOT
SCHULZ JACQUES
SCHWARTZ G. / BICYCLETTE SANCHOC
SEMPER
SERRUS / MANUFACTURE DE CYCLES ET MOTOCYCLETTE / CYCLES SERRUS
SIMON F. / MANUFACTURE DES CYCLES SIMON / CYCLES SIMON / S.I.F.
SIMON FRERES / ROYAL-FABRIC
SINGER ALEX
SOCIETE DE CONSTRUCTION DE L’OUEST
SOCIETE INDUSTRIELLE DU CYCLE (S.I.C.)
SOCIETE LYONNAISE DU CYCLE / CYCLES FURET
SOLEIL / MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE DES CYCLES SOLEIL / CYCLES SOLEIL
SOVIGNET A. / ZAS
SPARTING / CYCLES SPARTING
STELLA
SUPERIA
SUTTER AUGUSTE
SVELTE / SOCIETE MANUFACTURIERE D’ARMES ET CYCLES / VOORHOEVE J. / CYCLES SVELTE
T.V.T. (TECHNIQUE DU VERRE TISSE)
TALBOT / GRANDE ARMEE ACCESSOIRES / CYCLES TALBOT
TECHNICYCLE
TENDIL / CYCLES TENDIL
TERROT
THIMONNIER ET CIE / CYCLES SUPERIOR / VICTORIEUSE / NEVA
THIOLLET
THIROUARD J.
THOMANN ALPHONSE
THUIL A. / CYCLES ALLEGOT
TIBAL
TOURNOIS
TRIDON F. / USINES VELOCIPEDIQUES F. TRIDON / CYCLES TRIDON
ULDRY / CYCLES ULDRY
URAGO / CYCLES URAGO
VALDENAIRE / CYCLES ROYAL-VALDEN / V.P.F / V.R. / R.V.R. / BLAKER’S
VELECLAIR / METROPOLE / RACER / STERLING / SULKY / AMBASSADOR / DROIT AU BUT / COQ DE FRANCE
VELMUL
VELOSOLEX
VERDEUN MAURICE
VERDIN
VIALLE FRERES
VIGNERON H. / CYCLES VIGNERON / CYCLES EOLE
VITUS / ATELIER DE LA RIVE
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#515636 - 06/10/18 02:57 PM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: pmag]
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Here is a very bad translation of portions of this book; Essentially he's saying the Cycle industry when it came along grew in saint-Etienne because the manufacturing facilities, machines, expertise, workmen and management along with yearly business cycles were compatible with the already existing gun making industry.

http://books.openedition.org/editionsmsh/3747?lang=en

Héritages industriels et déterminations objectives:
Industrial background on determination of objectives:


4. Par-delà l’action personnelle de pionniers comme Pierre Gauthier constructeur de la première bicyclette française en 1886 ou Paul de Vivie apôtre du cyclotourisme plus connu sous le pseudonyme de Vélocio, et donc par-delà une explication possible en termes d’acteurs, la réussite de l’industrie stéphanoise du cycle – plus tardivement introduite ici qu’en d’autres villes – repose avant tout sur l’existence d’une structure industrielle favorable à la diffusion de l’innovation.

In addition to the personal actions of pioneers such as Pierre Gauthier, builder of the first French bicycle in 1886 or Paul de Vivie, apostle of cycle-touring best known under the pseudonym “Velocio,” and thus a possible explication in terms of participants (in spreading cyclyism), the success of the stephanotis cycle industry, introduced later here than elsewhere, rested above all on the existence of a favorable industrial structure for the diffusion of the innovation.

L’importance de l’armurerie dans la filiation technique:
The importance of the gun-maker in creating the techniques (of cycle making)

5. A une époque où la machine n’avait pas encore remplacé la plupart des façons manuelles, le réservoir d’ouvriers expérimentés, formés par l’exercice des multiples métiers du fer et de l’acier, a notoirement contribué au développement de l’industrie naissante du cycle. Soit qu’il lui ait donné ses premiers chefs d’entreprise, tels les armuriers Auguste Dombret ou Dombret Aîné, le mécanicien Louis Chavanet, le quincaillier Claudius Gros... Soit qu’il lui ait fourni des savoir-faire et une mémoire technique aptes à générer nombre d’applications dérivées et novatrices, du forgeage des axes de pédalier à partir d’axes cylindro-coniques semblables à ceux que Louis Chavanet avait vu utiliser par un forgeur de la vallée du Furan pour tirer des branches de tricoises au martinet, à l’emploi par Albert Raimond du principe de la rampe hélicoïdale entraînant les chargeurs de mitrailleuse pour déplacer le pignon conducteur de son fameux changement de vitesse « le Cyclo »…

In an era where the machine had not yet replaced the majority of manual work, the reservoir of trained workers, trained by the exercise of several different skill of iron and steel, notably contributed to the development of the newly born cycle industry. Such that they provided the first chiefs of (cycle making) enterprises such as the gun makers Auguste Dombret or Domgret the Older, the mechanic Louis Chavanet, the hardware store owner Claudius Cros… Such that they furnished the know-how and technical memory to enable the generation of a number of both new and spin-off applications, to forge the pedal axles beginning with the cylindro-conical sales such as thos of Louis Chavanet, who used a forger in the Furan valley to fire the sections of the pedal and crank, employed by Albert Raimond, on the principle of the spiral ramp helicoidal method of loading sub-machine gun magazines in order to move the rollers of his famous gear changing apparatus “the Cyclo…”

C’est en 1921, après l’installation de la MFAC dans ses nouveaux bâtiments de la rue Lassaigne, qu (…)
It was in 1921 after the installation of the MFAC in its new buildings on Rue Lassaigne, that….

6. Mais, si toutes les branches de la métallurgie stéphanoise ont leur part dans la réussite de l’industrie du cycle, y compris les aciéries, forges et fonderies lui fournissant produits bruts à transformer ou pièces à usiner, l’armurerie a pour elle de constituer une activité saisonnière, relativement complémentaire de l’activité du cycle. En effet, alors que le fusil se vend surtout de juin à octobre, la demande de bicyclette se manifeste de février jusqu’à août. Ce qui explique que nombre de fabricants d’armes se soient précocement établis fabricants de cycles (de la Société manufacturière d’armes et cycles de Saint-Etienne aux Ets Berger ou Rivollier... en passant bien sûr par la Manufacture d’armes et cycles de Saint-Etienne) sans avoir à spécialiser des ateliers1 où tours et fraiseuses servent indifféremment à l’usinage des pièces de l’arme et de la bicyclette.

But, if all the branches of stephanotis metallurgies played their part in the success of the cycle industry, and inching the steelmakers, forges and foundries which furnished the raw products to transform into factory parts, the Gun-making itself constituted a seasonal activity, relatively complementary to the activities of cycling. In effect, while guns were sold well from June to October, the demand for bicycles was from February to August. This explains the number of arms factories who established cycle manufacturing branches (In Saint Etienne Manufranch or Etablissement Berger or Rivollier) without having to have specialized workshops or lathes or milling machines, which served for both the fabrication of parts for guns and bicycles.

2. A la MFAC, les fabrications dont on revendique la précision sont testées sur route et font l’objet (…)
At MANUFRANCE the products which were made with precision and tested on the road and made the object of….


7. Et ces relations privilégiées tissées entre l’armurerie et l’industrie du cycle par les phénomènes de continuité technique et de complémentarité saisonnière, vont elles-mêmes susciter des pratiques similaires ou communes qui se retrouvent : au plan de l’organisation structurelle de branche (extrême division du travail inductrice d’une exceptionnelle spécialisation dans la fabrication des pièces détachées : panoplie complète des types d’unité de production depuis le limeur de cadres « en fenêtres » jusqu’à l’usine en passant par l’atelier familial ou le décorateur ambulant... ; adjonction d’activités complémentaires : machines à coudre, écrémeuses, pièces pour automobiles...) ; au plan de l’orientation commerciale et publicitaire (accent mis sur la qualité de la production, prouvée par l’application de systèmes de contrôle rappelant le Banc d’épreuve des armes2) ; au plan des localisations spatiales (juxtaposition des ateliers dans les arrière-cours des quartiers armuriers de Villebœuf et Saint-Roch avec cependant une extension du cycle vers le sud en direction de la plaine de Champagne) ; et même au plan de l’unité patronale (dans les premières années de création de la Chambre syndicale du cycle, partage les frais de location et de conciergerie avec la Chambre syndicale des armuriers ; banquets annuels communs ; ententes lors des élections à la Chambre de commerce...). Ce qui ne signifie pas pour autant que l’on puisse isoler l’histoire de l’industrie du cycle de cette autre composante fondamentale de l’identité stéphanoise qu’est l’industrie du ruban.

And these privileged relationships between the gun maker an the cycle industry by the phenomens of continuity of technique and seasonal complementation, themselves sustained similar practices in cities which could sustain them; from the point of view of structural organization of the subsidiaries (extreme division of work indicative of exceptional specialization in the fabrication of parts; large assortment of types of production that let to a flexible workforce such as the factory growing out of a family workshop….compatible industrial activities - sewing machines, parts of cars, cream separators, etc: A system of commercial and advertising orientation (with an accent on the quality of production and it’s testing such as the proof house of Saint Etienne), the local distribution of workshops (the juxtaposition of workshop in the backsides of the the gun-makers sections of Villeboef and Saint Roche with however an extension of cycle making towards the south in the direction of the Plain of Champagne)’ and even in the sector of the unity of management (in the first years of th creation of the Syndical Chamber of Cycles, sharing the location of and personal of the Syndicated Chamber of Comerce); This signifies nothing more than that one can isolate the history of the cycle industry and the other industries compositing the fundamental identity of the Stephanois and the industry of Valley of Ruban.


Edited by Argo44 (06/10/18 05:53 PM)
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#515640 - 06/10/18 04:03 PM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: pmag]
Karl Graebner Offline
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Argo,
Very interesting to see the gun makers that also made bikes. Thanks for sharing the list.
Karl

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#515659 - 06/10/18 09:26 PM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: ]
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Right, Dewey. I use my two Darne's and a Charlin regularly and, as a lefty, carry the shotgun with my trigger finger on the safety, slipping the safety up as I raise the arm to my shoulder with the finger then dropping to the triggers It's become almost as natural as using the safety behind the top lever.

Regards, Tim

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#515661 - 06/10/18 09:44 PM Re: Ted Schefelbein or other Darne gurus [Re: pmag]
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Is the OP, Pete, left handed? I doubt it.

I am a lefty, and any but the button version of the sliding breech safety works well for a lefty, much like a Greener safety. I am not crazy about the safety in a Charlin, it has a rather stout leaf spring, and in the heat of the moment, I find it is sprung like a truck. The button safety was an attempt at a more righthanded friendly safety, that, wasn't that successful.

Intuitive use likely varies between upright hominids, I and a million or so other folks thought highly enough of the system to adapt to it. My R10 is second nature to me.

The guys who use a Darne well, want to use a Darne well. There are plenty of folks who do just fine with them.


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Ted

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