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Thanks for checking Terry!
To the best of my knowledge, the crown over BP is the Birmingham preliminary blackpowder proof, making the barrel address a curiosity, or?
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The Birmingham proof mark might not be such a curiosity. It is unusual but not unheard of that a gun with prelim proofs (seems the law required it before a gun could be put together) and not finished in England. It may have been sent to India or Australia to be finished there.
What is a mystery to me is the color of the wood. It does not seem to be something that would have been used by any British maker. The more I think on it, the more I do think of India and some wood from Asia.
Just thoughts.
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John
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Steven,
From Lee Kennett's article, both marks are from Birmingham. The 1st is a view mark 1813-1904 and the second mark is provisional proof.
John may have something. Apparently it was made in England and submitted for provisional proof. Where was it finished? If in Europe, it should have final proof marks.
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Can find no record of a Wakefield in London.Could be associated with W.H.Wakefield & Co; of 10 Whittall Street, Birmingham. 1897-1900.Proof marks are Birmingham pre,1901. Top lever is similar to the Westley Richards design of the period.Could be a W.R. action finished by Wakefield or a rifle made for Wakefield by Westley Richards. The & Co; suggests to me that Wakfield was a dealer as well as a possibly a maker.
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W.H. Wakefield was also listed at 2, Price Street B'ham, the proof marks date coincide with the listed dates for Wakefields existence, perhaps when you strip it Steve we may learn more.Can't find a Wakefield listed in Australia.
I'll keep looking for this maker.
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Thanks to all!
I'm afraid it will remain somthing of a mystery, at least until I can find the time to disassemble it and see if there are any further clues.
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Not much to add 'cept that "70" as a gauge is about .407"
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I don't know where Steve Meyer's reply is but it would be gospel. The marks are Birmingham black powder proofs for a 70 bore. The gun was made in Birmingham for a retailer in London, I think. The last mark(L-R) is a crown over BP which is a preliminary black powder proof.
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Steven,
From Lee Kennett's article, both marks are from Birmingham. The 1st is a view mark 1813-1904 and the second mark is provisional proof.
John may have something. Apparently it was made in England and submitted for provisional proof. Where was it finished? If in Europe, it should have final proof marks.
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Salopian provided some very interesting info about Richard Wakefield & family while the board was down. Maybe he will post it here. Just what I was looking for.
Thanks salopian!
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