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You guys continually amuse me with your negativity and cynicism. Money spent will never trump physics and the physics is that ANYTHING used to a maximum capacity will have a lifespan and anything mechanical can break. I deal every day with race engines and race cars. Some work great and some are real duds. Sometimes the reasons (good or bad) are never discovered sometimes everything is "identical" and there is still a vast discrepancy in performance. Parts can break on the first cycle or the millionth... it doesn't really mean someone's production is junk or that every piece is junk.
Do Ferrari's not go to the shop? Ducati sport bikes require considerably more maintenance than a comparable Honda. Can either break ? Yes? Either brand has far more technology and speed (capacity) than 95% of the owners will even need or even use. 1% may push them to their limits... just like a shotgun. Most spend a lot of time sitting. Listen to the first hand experiences, take them with a grain of salt, and decide what works for you.
But to give my opinion of the direct question that started the thread: Which one is the better value?
Where do you find value? Resale, shooting performance, personal appreciation? As far as I am concerned they are two different animals in the same kingdom. I'd rather have an old one. but either one more than covers any need or use I could ever have for it.

You're the one calling yourself stupid, no one here did. Neither did anyone here refer to themselves as experts. What I will say is that you are narrow-minded and cynical.

SRH

Never said that, Bob. Said I could not comment specifically on the CSMC Model 21. But I CAN comment very specifically on the Savage Fox A Grade, which is also a CSMC product. And on which their quality control sucks. Might be you've seen one or two that look fine. I've seen two--sent to me as potential purchases--that looked like crap. And I just saw another one in a Cabela's Gun Library that had the matte finish barrels . . . which, I guess, is OK if you like those. And at least it didn't have the screwed up checkering. I'm guessing Cabela's would have known better than to put it out for sale if it had.

I have a limited experience with CSMC Guns, I have seen first hand a seven or so. All belonging to friends.

I do not doubt the earlier poster and others as well have had problems with CSMC produced guns. Further that their problems are a PR issue

All my friends who own CSMC products love them and have not reported any of the problems or disconnects others have experienced.

Ever heard of �kennel blindness�?

So am I to join the Greek Chorus if my experience is different?

CSMC has made and sold a lot of guns, it is likely some if not the majority of owners had some good experiences.

In my earlier post I stated what I know first hand as others have, if that is different then it is.

Just because my post followed yours, doesn�t mean I was referring to you, old colonel. I was not referring to you as being kennel blind. Sorry you misunderstood.

I stand corrected

I know what buzz meant, but had never heard of it until I looked it up. Good comparison.

SRH

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