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I don't think it's electing stupid people. Most start off wanting to make it better in their communities. It's what they have to do to get the money to be re-elected that separates them from the people.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
I don't think it's electing stupid people. Most start off wanting to make it better in their communities. It's what they have to do to get the money to be re-elected that separates them from the people.


So they’re disloyal. Which makes them stupid.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
I don't think it's electing stupid people. Most start off wanting to make it better in their communities. It's what they have to do to get the money to be re-elected that separates them from the people.


Wrong again King. It isn't political donations or PAC's that cause people to become like you or Hillary Clinton, and blame these crimes on the availability of an inanimate object like a gun.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Pew Research has a good reputation, Jim. It's a source in the link Ed posted. Crime is declining in Canada, too, although our tougher-on-crime federal government can't build jails and penitentiaries fast enough.

Misfires seems near unanimous that there's no correlation between the number of guns and surpassing US gun violence, and that more guns lowers a homicide rate experienced nowhere else in the developed world.

I believe there is a connection---as most liberals do--- and that those conservative and liberal countries with exceedingly lower rates are a result of their democratically chosen, more-onerous, freedom-restricting regulations, common-sense or not.

I commented earlier on the cultural differences between the US and other countries in this respect, including how differently the US and Canada developed. Why do Americans dismiss the graphs and statistics?


Most American Gun Owners do not dismiss the graphs and statistics King. But we have learned that we should not trust data provided by anti-gun Liberal Left Progressive Socialists like you.



The U.S. has over 300 million guns and a 2012 murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000. Russia has only 13 million guns, and a 2012 murder rate of 9.2 per 100,000. So we have over 23 times as many guns and a murder rate about half as high as Russia. It would seem that the problem is cultural rather than due to the availability of guns. But King Brown will never admit that because he is here to undermine our gun rights.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: King Brown
I don't think it's electing stupid people. Most start off wanting to make it better in their communities. It's what they have to do to get the money to be re-elected that separates them from the people.


Wrong again King....

Hang on Keith, maybe he has a good point or two here. I think he's explaining about one way to hatch an elite. Then, they get to decide what's better for all us commoners. I bet, when it comes to communities, how better to use them than to claim to be an organizer.

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yawn...


keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Hope posting this is not against Board rules.

The Lazy Fantasies of Foreign Gun Laws

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/gun-control-foreign-countries-folk-wisdom/

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Excellent posting 1cdog


The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Another thing to remember when you all call your elected representatives is that the total number of people who are killed in the U.S. by all rifles... not just AR-15's... is quite small compared to the number of people who are killed in the U.S. by illegal immigrants.

The very same Liberal Left Democrats who are pressing hard for more restrictive gun laws and complete bans on AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles are at the same time actively fighting any efforts to build a border wall and reverse illegal immigration.

If they were really concerned about saving lives, they wouldn't be howling about the Trump administration's recent lawsuit against California's Sanctuary City laws.

The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

The Small Numbers of People Killed by Assault-style Rifles

It isn't about saving lives folks. It's about the eventual end of the 2nd Amendment. The anti-gunners who are applauding new anti-gun measure passed by the Florida Legislature are already saying that it is a good first step. If the Governor signs the bill, they will keep coming back for more.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: keith
....the total number of people who are killed in the U.S. by all rifles... not just AR-15's... is quite small compared to the number of people who are killed in the U.S. by illegal immigrants....

....It isn't about saving lives folks. It's about the eventual end of the 2nd Amendment....

Another way to look at it is that the primary cause of firearm death is suicide. Of course, there are many methods of suicide, that the anti's couldn't care less about. The same folks who're all for assisted suicide, are trying to sell that it's about saving lives. Not likely. It's like them saying that illegal aliens are just doing a job that no one else wants to do.

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I cannot understand how a mind can bend so far left that the eyes can no longer focus & see the problem.
The illegals are illegal. In rebellion, no respect for the legal system put in place to ensure the rights of the legal.
So , to make something illegal is to throw that ball onto their court. What do they care, already illegal anyhow.
Make those pointed shoes illegal & see if they stop wearing them.
No; The illegal attitude existed before leaving the home land.
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