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'I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida...to go to court would have taken a long time,...'

'Take the guns first, go through due process second,'

How do you know that Billy? The last time pro-gunners reluctantly conceded and didn't strongly resist the onslaught by the anti-gunners, it only made them keep trying to take more. That was the GCA of 1968. They came back for "Saturday Night Specials, for all handguns, and for so-called Assault rifles. They also tried to get ammunition bans and "Smart Guns" that could only be fired by the owner. They never stopped coming at us, trying to get more and more. And through it all, FUDD's like you kept saying that it would never happen and that your Liberal Left Democrats were no threat to us.

They are now calling for strict regulations on "weapons of war" that were designed only for killing people on the battlefield. They are saying that these guns have bullets that travel 3 times the velocity of most handgun ammo, and expand violently in flesh. They are saying that guns with such devastating firepower have no place on our streets.

You know what Billy? That sounds a lot like Stevies Mauser or your Springfield rifles.

Bill, I live in a country with far more firearms restrictions than yours. We also have far fewer mass shootings than yours, or far less per capita gun crime than you. But essentially the same rate of teenage death by vehicular misadventure that the US does. But right now, as a result of your latest school shooting, the anti gun forces are back at it, saying it's time for more gun bans, more regulations.

So tell me again how its the basic lie that makes sensible regs impossible. If you really believe that, then you don't understand the objective of those you support.

Oops, just hit the nail on the head.

Bill, here's another example of what I'm talking about.

Here's what will happen after a pile of new gun regs. NOTHING! NO REDUCTION IN GUN CRIME!

The rate (or trend) of gun crime will be essentially the same. Because gun regs are ineffectual at preventing crime. So the anti gun people will be out, saying "we haven't enacted enough regs....we need more....because gun crime is so bad!".


How do I know this? Because the rate (or trend) of gun crime remained the same in Australia and their gun confiscation. NO CHANGE!

But even more importantly....go back to Keith's first post. About driving licenses. If we wanted to save young lives, why isn't this in the national headlines every night and on the lips of every lawmaker and CNN talking head in the land.

Deep Throat,
Good to see you have come around to my way of seeing things. Raising the age limit on long guns is simply bad policy no matter who had the idea. Glad you finally agree with me. Too bad it took you so long.

Well look at that back on page 9 you agreed with me about better reporting to the states for more accurate back ground checks. Looks like you are starting to see things more my way all time.

I have no dog is this fight. None of this secrete database/registration/disarmament stuff affects me, as most of my guns sunk in an unfortunate fishing accident.

I shall now make the post that pisses off everyone.

First, keith, you've got a serious cognitive bias in the form of negative transference. You have feelings that seem to be about one person, when they�re really about someone else. You think SKB, King Brown, or whomever is anit-gun. Really it is other people who are anti-gun and you transfer those feelings onto people on this board. It�s not so different from the progressive who blames the NRA for a school shooting. Seek help.

Second, I don�t think there is a solution because people will not talk about the fact that public high schools are shitty places and many teachers are stupid assholes. Architecturally a modern school is nearly indistinguishable from a minimum security prison, which makes sense because they are essentially day jails.

Worse yet, in the old day�s school was a small part of a young person�s life. They went to school for 6 hours and came home to their real lives. Over time schooling evolved into the totality of a young person�s life. What could be more depressing than that? If for whatever reason you�re any type of social outcast or loner, it is a life of constant torture in an unpleasant environment. With smart phones and social media there is no disconnecting. Kids are stuck in school when they aren�t even physically on campus. No wonder they need antidepressants. I would too. It�s a testament to human decency that there aren�t more school shootings.

Finally, the folks who say, �No one needs an assault rifle� have a lot more faith in humanity than I do.

Thanks for all the commentary. Different completely here during the previous administration. Remember Nixon the Communist hater was the only president who could go to China to find a friend in the Cold War, and similarly pro-gun Trump to the NRA because "something has to be done" toward gun reform. Second Amendment inviolate rights scarcely mentioned while members seem to be looking for something reasonable instead of yelling at each other. All good. Bless America.

Isn't it a lie to use the word sensible? Do we need sensible gun control regulations because criminals are sensible, or do you want to impose something you're calling sensible on law abiding US citizens? An important distinction because illegal violent felons have exemptions from firearm law and regulation.

The problem is how you define sensible. If it means calm dialog, but then voting for a maxy waters or a finestien, who's gonna find that sensible? Other than just for the sake of doing something, what assurances are there that your side will acknowledge the problem is solved and not keep demanding more sensible gun control by pushing emotional division? The problem with regulation is I highly doubt you would want me to regulate your morality, why don't look at it from that point of view?

Huh? Remember Clinton, the violator of interns, no yelling just one heck of a party. Sorry about that, just throwing in a little balance.