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"Teacher fired shot, barricaded self inside high school classroom, police say...."

"Concealed-carry permit holder flips the script, shoots and kills alleged carjacker..." Depending on facts of the case this could be a good outcome.

Something must change, I would like it to be the best law the R's can come up with not another piece of bad legislation like we all complain about coming from the D's.

I just do not buy in to the culture war sorry. I think a better approach than the combative stance the NRA has taken would be to win over the middle. Less talk of Socialist conspiracy and media bias and more talk of protecting your rights and your family. Simply less abrasive.

Slippery slope? It gets real slippery when we skip due process.

Sometimes your friends need to be criticized. I must have got that from my Grandmother. She use to say "just because your friends are doing it does not mean it is right."

Does it matter what adjectives are used? If the NRA has to be described as combative, aren't you at cultural odds with them? Or, don't like them, or consider them divisive, or think alt right, or on and on? Your preferences are no business of mine, but you do seem to buy into differences, some might say cultural.

I had a Grandma too, actually two of them. Her version was slightly different, "just because your friends are doing it, doesn't mean you have to DO it too". I think the path is clear. If something really has to change, it's the rhetoric and the education of our kids. Not the law.

You made fun of our President pulling a fast one a few pages back. Since the middle is squishy on the topic, maybe we can hope, as in the past, congress can't come together. And, as a fail safe, possibly this President understands current politics and will use his position to shift the blame image to progressives, in not just the political sense, but also cultural.

I think due process is a huge problem, but I wouldn't ignore the vagueness of tightening background checks and closing loopholes. Asked earlier of someone else, if in a couple of years from now a twenty-one year old walks into the shop and needs work done on his long gone grandpa's beautiful sxs, because he cherishes the gun, loves pheasant hunting, and has been using it since high school. Do you look over the gun and say you can help, or is your first thought, I ran it and there's no record that the gun was legally transferred to you? And, yes I know, not in Colorado.

edit to add, interesting back and forth

Crazy can't be legislated

I left out the part about my Grandmother following that up with "or that you are going to do it to."


I support the gun related mission of the NRA. I do not support them in the culture war they are so deeply invested in. If being a moderate puts me at cultural odds with the NRA the so be it. I can not support extremists on either side of the political divide in this country. It is not that I do not like the NRA, I am a member by choice, no one forces me to pay my dues. I do not like the the tactics they employ at times.


No one is talking about gun registration except you. I see you are very concerned about that, understandable but I do not see that coming on a national level at all. Some states have that but as you pointed out.......not Colorado.

"We raised five pretty good children and not one of them got good sense until they were thirty..." is a pretty good assessment of the current state of society. Perhaps no one should be allowed to have firearms until they're 30. Kids nowadays are nor maturing at the age we did. They've been insulated from all the harsher realities that were taken for granted when we were young, except the realization that they could be murdered in their schools.

Okay, now that I've read the whole thread and watched it devolve into a silly war of words between two factions of gun owners on this site, I have the following comment.

Keith is brilliantly spot on in his OP and it puts the lie to the idea that this larger battle is about saving lives. It's clearly not. The deaths of these poor kids and every other victim of a mass shooter get used by the centre/left anti gun faction to further their political agenda, not to save lives. And that agenda is the end of the 2cd Amendment and the disarming of all civilians.

THEY PLAY THE LONG GAME. GENERATIONAL! THERE IS NO LEVEL OF GUN CONTROL THEY WILL BE SATISFIED WITH. EVERY REGULATION IS A STEP TOWARDS DISARMAMENT.

Where was the incessant coverage of Sutherland Springs from a few months ago? More dead but the shooter was stopped by a guy with an AR-15. CNN and the rest sure dropped that story like a hot potato Because it could not be used to make progress against gun ownership.

Smart Grandmother. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it has to be done. Maybe, it's right to discuss the facts about cancer in one setting, but is it right to keep reminding a buddy who's battling it?

Of course, I'm commenting because I sense more conviction not supporting the pro side, and not a peep about extremists on the other side. Or, in other words, who will take your message of grace, reason, intellect and decorum to the left and make them respect it? I understand I'm the only one hung up on my hang ups, but you brought up the slippery slope, but not how to stop it. You kind of sound like if you were in charge of negotiations, you'd throw the other forty-nine states under the bus, and do a little business friendly carve out for Co.

Stevie, you keep asking this same stupid question, but still can't man up and answer my questions. You're a fine one to ask if jOe or I are sheep when you've admitted to standing by like a sheep while ATF agents photographed your 4473's and Ledger Books. You told us they can legally do that, but have refused to show us where they have that right.

That is so typical and predictable from you Liberals... just drop a load of bullshit and ignore any follow-up questions that would show your ignorance or dishonesty.

craigd certainly picked up on how you suddenly found pro-gun religion. No atheists in foxholes, right? I don't believe it when King does it, and I sure as he'll don't believe it coming from you.

Canvasback is also right about this thread devolving into a pissing contest between two factions of gun owners. One of those factions, the FUDD's, has mostly been represented by none other than you. But you were never here with the intention of offering anything of substance, were you?

You don't have to answer that question either Stevie. A simple Liberal bleat will do.

"Every regulation is a step toward disarmament," is the basic lie that makes sensible regulations impossible. Fully automatic weapons are legal to own. A tax must be paid; they must be registered. However, federal agents do not appear in the night to kick down doors and confiscate these weapons. The fraction of US society that would ban gun possession if they could is very small. They will never prevail. But , if we do not adequately address the on-going gun slaughter, we will end up losing more than if we'd made some reasonable suggestions ourselves.