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I like it, Geo.

I�ve said it before and I�ll say it again. Throw in a bird from the turkey thread and a couple gallons of Irish whiskey and vodka and it�s called Thanksgiving dinner at my house. Minus the knives!


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Yes but which one is Walter? I have my pick.

Fair enough, thanks for the follow up. The database that I was thinking could be model for the entire country, doesn't stop at the buyer and one particular firearm at a time, it also includes the seller. My understanding is it is quick and easy, convenient, and something that's sellable as reasonable. My point has consistently been, it's the beginnings of a registry, just ineffective to this point because it's not national. I'm not sure why any money would be better spent on your proposal, isn't it just up to folks now to be held to doing their jobs?

It's absolutely none of my business, but my guessing opinion is that the time and extent of taking concerns privately to the NRA would likely be tiny compared to the effort and optics of 'pro' folks criticizing their nearly lone voice in public. It might be seen by some as hugely contributing to the image problem.

Very good Stevie... here we have someone who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you"re" calling ME dumb! And this one shows us the problem with Colorado's legalization of marijuana:



And we have someone who says he IGNORES all of my posts once again responding to me. And then after telling us that you do not wish to continue with me, you go on to dishonestly respond to your twisting and lies about the NRA...



... when after saying you would not continue with me, you said this:



Well, I've got news for you Stevie. I never said the victims were actors. But that won't stop you from being dishonest. A lot of ignorant things are being said on both sides of this issue. People on your Liberal Left are lying about the numbers of people who want severe 2nd Amendment restrictions. They are calling members and leadership of the NRA murderers for the huge sin of being protective of our Constitutional Rights, They are actually saying that gun owners should be rounded up and imprisoned. But we can't help noticing that you, strong NRA backer that you pretend to be, are only criticizing and denigrating the NRA again and again.

There is no question that the legacy media is exploiting crying white mothers in order to advance their anti-gun agenda. Where is their outrage about the hundreds of times as many teens who die because they are not mature enough to drive carefully and without texting? Where is their continuous outrage about the suicidal and homicidal side effects of SSRI's. Why don't we see CNN organizing protests and importing speakers about the massive quantities of illegal drugs that are killing thousands of teens?

I'm saying that it is high time that gun owners start asking these questions in order to expose the dishonesty and hypocrisy of the Liberal Left and their anti-gun agenda.

And it is high time that we expose FUDD's and closet Liberal Left guys like you who pretend to be on the side of the 2nd Amendment, but are continually attacking those who really are.

I believe in standing with my friends Craig. I also believe in speaking up when they error. a time and a place for everything and that was not the time or the place.

If you are looking for hypocrisy start in the mirror.

Argo44, I saw your post, and have seen similar comments from you in the past.

The more I see them, the more I wonder why you don't have anything constructive to offer other than criticism of occasional ad hominem attacks? There are a lot of nasty things being said about this matter from both sides on the News, in newspapers, and in social media. You and I both know this isn't unique to this website.

Passions run pretty high among many law abiding gun owners when people start blaming them for the actions of a madman. You can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, and you can't claim that the 2nd Amendment permits you to shoot people in a crowded theater either. Either act will justifiably get you a prison sentence. We already have laws dealing with criminal use or procurement of firearms by mentally ill killers. Those laws were ignored for many months and after a multitude of warning signs in Parkland. So we are being told that we need still more laws that will only infringe upon he rights of those who would never do such acts.

Is it OK to be both defensive and suspicious of that?

I don't think it is mere coincidence that this thread started degenerating after Lefty Stevie SKB entered the fray. He and a number of other closet anti-NRA types have done all they can to disrupt 2nd Amendment type threads many times in the past. I keep wondering why we haven't yet heard the usual whining and bitching from SKB's pal Last Dollar. I personally feel that the best way to deal with Stevie's trolling is not calling him a "small minded twat" and a "lil prick" as he did when he said this:



Gee, I wonder why things went downhill from there? I think the best way of dealing with SKB aka Lefty Stevie is by illuminating his hypocrisy, his twisting, his disdain for the Conservatives he pretends to support, and his long standing anti-NRA bent. I recognize that he and his kind do what they do in the hopes of causing enough disruption that the thread finally gets locked. I'll admit, it took me awhile to recognize that's what they were doing. They have a lot of people fooled around here, and they hate it when you uncover their dishonesty. It takes huge restraint to not respond in kind to their crap.

We need to have this discussion. Our Constitutional Rights are once again under attack. Putting our heads in the sand will only bring us to a day when discussing the technical aspects of old guns is all we are permitted to do... if that isn't banned as well.

So what are your solutions or ideas? Do you agree with me that while this is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, there are many other things that demand attention that would save far more lives than banning semi-auto AR-15's?

Do you have something to back up that statement Stevie, or are you just trying more of your dishonest Liberal Left twisting in the hopes of getting this thread locked?

And once again, you show us what you really are when you get riled up about me pointing out the hypocrisy of the Liberal Left. Pretty easy to see what side you are really on. The question is why you can't be courageous enough to finally admit it, and why you feel it is necessary to attempt to hide it. Maybe you are sensible enough to realize that an anti-gun gunsmith might chase away some business if those attitudes ever got out.

I sure wish you would go back to pretending to IGNORE me since you have nothing to offer but twisting and criticism of the NRA.

By the way, your statements about the safety and security of the present system of Background Checks isn't completely accurate. Why don't you tell the nice folks what happens to the FFL's Bound Ledger Books when someone like Stan gives up his FFL or retires? And why don't you tell them about the ATF Agents who were demanding and photocopying Bound Ledger Books from gun shop owners in Alaska a few years ago during the Obama Administration. If you were really an NRA member, you might be aware of such things.

If you'd rather not answer, you could always fall back on pretending to IGNORE me. I don't do anything to damage your credibility, but you sure do.

And here's a question for the Liberals who keep telling us that a huge majority of of the population wants more gun control...

If it is true that a large percentage of the population... a huge majority as high as 93% really wants that... then why do politicians who turn their backs on us and vote for more gun laws so frequently get voted out of office?

We were told the same lies in 2013 after the Newtown shootings, but many of those who sided with the anti-gunners got their asses handed to them in the 2014 mid-term elections and in special elections. The NRA doesn't go into the voting booth and force huge majorities to vote against their beliefs.

Are the Liberals really trying to tell us that the huge majorities of the public that supposedly are demanding more gun laws are then voting against the politicians who try to pass more gun laws? Does that even make sense to anyone but guys like Stevie?

This is just more proof that you really shouldn't trust anything that a Liberal says. To them, any lie that advances their Leftist Socialist agenda is perfectly OK.

I'll tell you exactly what happens when you retire or close shop like Stan did. You send your bound books to the ATF and the put them in one of the many semi-trailers they and someday when they catch they hope to put those records on microfiche. I believe are somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 years behind give or take. You can not search Microfiche in its normal format and most records are hand written.

In Alaska(Walter Earl's shop I believe) The ATF agents wanted to take his books from his shop and make copies. He fought them and I think he won.

In my shop my books had pictures taken of them.

Is the back ground check anywhere near perfect? Heck no. I still do not see why we should abandon it. We should improve it.

If you think you can prove the ATF has a searchable gun data base you should fully pursue it. You could become a rich man. Would be the biggest story in years.....only true in your dreams though. What you fail to understand is a whole bunch of the ATF and other Federal agents are very conservative. They would never keep something like that quiet. I did some contract work at the US Marshall's office in Cheyenne in the 90's. Those guys had pictures of Clinton, who was the President at the time, on the wall with a target super imposed on his face. It would impossible to pull that off at the ATF. I don't love those guys but I have to work with them. They are just people and I find if you treat them with some respect they are fine. All business but very professional and just doing a job for the most part. I'm sure some have an axe to grind but I have not encountered that as of yet.