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I am not for restrictions on the sane and law abiding.

I am for restrictions on the evil and crazy.

This discussion is why we will not see a major change in gun laws, if a group of gun enthusiast can't agree on the issue how the hell will a group of politicians .

What I think everyone can and should support is more secure schools. This can and must be done!

Bill: the world is what it is. Humanistic post-millennialism (through education, enlightenment and world-wide evangelism we're going to make heaven on earth) started dying with WWI, and did die with the Atomic Age and the formation of the State of Israel. There is nothing in the Bible about things getting better and better. We must deal with it. And be prepared for the day the "Failure to register your Class III AR confiscation police" hit the streets. It'll take them a LONG time to make it through AZ and Idaho.
Off to church.

Drew, the world is what it is because this is what we made it. It doesn't have to get crazier and crazier. We are certainly fallible creatures, but we aren't completely helpless. If religion offers some help here, it is surely in its message of love and compassion. Those of us who aren't criminally insane ought to be able to find ways to accomodate each other and find the grounds that we share, rather than let what divides us be the only focus.PS: Lots of things are better-- less poverty, better health, more opportunity, less illiteracy.

dis aint bout drugs an hit aint bout guns...watt hits really bout is wacko people...like da nra man keep sayin...

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.�

If we made it, shouldn't we be asking how we made it? Are we teaching our kids to think and reason, or do we cheer for them on tv when the media gobbles up their knee jerk emotional divisive talking points?

Bill, the second point I highlighted amazes me. A thought Doc Drew made was, do we want the gov. determining mental health. Why did you use the word 'criminally'? I'd still bet this latest loser will be determined to be 'sane'. Why can't, as you describe, legal access be determined based on behavior, rather than the subjectivity of a potentially agenda influenced counselor?

Criminal is already illegal. Maybe, it should be criminal to create cracks to slip through when those cracks are against the law? There's pretty good evidence that criminals are unlikely to abide by the law. When law abiding folks do respect a possible new restriction law, will they be rewarded with appreciation, or will more divisive calls come for more to be done? Why, because the other 300 million of us just can't keep going on abiding by the law? Criminal behavior should be deterred to the point that it is not perceived as a path to mental or financial satisfaction, and our kids should not be taught to feel emotional pleasure in allowing selective criminality.

Craig, I used the phrase "criminally insane" to distinguish school shooters from crazy students who don't commit violent acts and to say that we as a class on this forum are not criminally insane. A question for you: 'Based on behavior" by whom? Of course criminal behavior should be deterred. That's the whole point here. The problem to be addressed is how in hell to do it. Whoever taught our kids to feel emotional pleasure in allowing selective criminality??? What does any of this verbage possibly mean?

Craig, It won't work to resent students speaking out. They have the best reason in the world to feel badly served. They don't run the world;they should reasonably expect adults to do a better job. That is our duty to them. And, when they do speak out eloquently and persuasively that is news and must be reported. The notion that they are being exploited is the BS we expect from Rush, a man who lies for a living. Gun violence is the Civil Rights issue of our time. It will be addressed and lessened by the same means that worked last time, people in the streets demanding that those in power do their duty. Our grandchildren deserve our doing what it takes.

Behavior by whom? Criminals. The thirty-nine visits to the place of residence were for reports of possible criminal behavior. The school disciplinary file must be as thick as an old phone book. Why isn't there the will to see the signs of criminal behavior, and why didn't it flag the legal purchase of a firearm? Of course, there were many more indications of criminal type behavior. But, do law abiding citizens have to pay for the likelihood that a criminal will not follow firearm acquisition or use laws? According to you, they must?

Verbage? Who taught our children to use the term 'dreamers' when the law says they are illegal aliens? Didn't you see the tv videos last week of a walk through a sanfrancisco tent city with flows of human excrement and all manor of criminal behavior? Do our kids see criminal behavior, or are they conditioned to see a righteous statement and yet another program to throw money at? How come our kids are conditioned, taught, to imagine rights for criminals and not our Constitution?

That second note you posted shifts back to more of that divisiveness that comes as no surprise. I never said I resent the kids. But, if they want, or more importantly are given a voice, by media exploitation, for antigun policy, should they retain the protection of their age? Our children should not be taught that illegal use of a firearm is a civil rights issue. It's extremely offensive to equivocate that with true civil rights accomplishments. Our grandchildren deserve much better, and make no mistake about it, inaction is much better for them than to feed ideological egos with the knee jerk flavor of the week.

Craig, We don't have any difference of opinion on what should have happened with shooter Cruz. How he got by, especially by the FBI, needs a lot of attention and some serious changes to the system. We need a seriously larger investment in background checks, and when we err, it should be on the side of caution.

A larger investment?
I'm going to guess if the local cops showed up at my house half a dozen times, someone would be incarcerated, likely me. The program that keeps police from arresting black and hispanic kids pretty much kept Cruz out of the clink.
Epic fail number one.

The county cops couldn't be bothered to enter the school and end the bloodshed.
Epic fail number two.

The FBI, warned several times about this little [censored], completely dropped the ball in spite of crystal clear intent displayed by Cruz for many others to see.
Epic fail number three.

Where do you want to thow money to fix this, BIll? Local, county, or federal level?


Best,
Ted