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Which is it jOe-you don't like folks shooting and killing turkeys at 90 yards with #9 TSS or you don't believe they do it? I don't know a single soul who shoots TSS that takes shots over 40 yards. Hevi-shot and TSS aren't the same if you are equating the two. Hevi-shot advertises a density of 13 g/cc, but some report it is not that dense and some say barely that of lead. I have recovered a few stone dead turkeys with a few TSS #9's inside breast meat, but most users report full travel through. However, you don't understand or maybe don't want to understand the difference between pellet penetration and the energy it takes to penetrate. You confuse energy with penetration. Of course a #4 lead pellet has more energy downrange if is traveling the same velocity as a #9 tungsten pellet but that doesn't mean it has the same depth of penetration. It takes less energy or velocity for an almost pure tungsten #9 to penetrate turkey bone and flesh and disrupt the CNS of a turkey than it does a lead #4. How much energy or force does it take to stick an ice pick into flesh as opposed to the energy or force needed to do it to the same depth with a blunt metal object of larger diameter? I guess you know more about this than any major shell manufacturing engineering team who has invested thousands of dollars in R&D and set-up costs. Five years ago when you made the same comments, I thought you were just being militantly ignorant. Now after the facts are in, I see it is more than ignorance at play. Your entire reply is "ignorance at play".... 300 plus pellets in a 10 inch circle as you circle jerking pellet counters claim necessary to kill a turkey is stupid non sense..... cOunsler if ones intent was to keep your shots at ethical ranges then why the need or want for a super hard tiny pellet...the intent is a lie that today even the liars are believing. The 80 and 90 yard kill claims with #9 fAiry dust shot were pretty prevalent a short time ago...until people busted them for not being a turkey hunter. If ones aim is off a little and the meat is hit with this hummingbird killing pattern then it's shot.... Show these grown men with common sense your hummingbird turkey patterns.....
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Show these grown men those hummingbird patterns ?
Unless yer skeert to show yer little fAiry dust pecker holes....
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My $129.99 Yildiz 40 yard patterns, 13/16 oz. .410 TSS #9.5 (420/oz.) top pattern 133 in 10" ring. Change of primer in bottom pattern, 159 in the 10" ring. Bottom photo; weight of gun, 3 lbs. 3 oz. Choke by Sumtoy. Gobbler painting by Mark Larson. Brass by RMC. Red dot by Burris. DIY paracord sling by me. Dead hummingbird in photo below.    In zeroing the red dot, I burned up some TSS 8's, 254/oz. 120 in the 10" at 40. TSS 8's are overkill as noted by coosa in his measured response to Frank (jOe) and not necessary for my purposes. 
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My first turkey was taken many years ago with my Brno ZP49, in the Inner Coast Range of Solano County, CA. I am usually in Africa during spring turkey season, so my next was only two years ago, in Mendocino County, using my Smallwood 10 bore, with black powder and brass shells. Yeah, he was a only jake, but even though I have caught hundreds of African lions with a dart gun at close range, that turkey with a 140 year old gun and a cloud of white smoke was my most memorable hunt ever. 
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Show these grown men those hummingbird patterns ?
Unless yer skeert to show yer little fAiry dust pecker holes.... Nope, not scared. shown in separate reply.
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#9 shot from a .410 does seem a bit light for turkey to the casual observer. I guess one could kill a turkey with a BB gun with a good shot, but that wouldnt be the ideal tool for the job. Many turkey hunters are going the other way with 3 1/2 12 gauge guns with 4-shot. Doesnt make a lot of sense to me to go less even with dense tungsten. Im no expert though, Ive only shot 7 or eight eastern birds. In Texas where I hunt quail, those Rio birds are everywhere.
Socialism is almost the worst.
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Yer the Yildiz poster girl fer sure....
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Nothing like a picture of a successful hunt to bring out those folks who will tell you can not do that. My guess is Gil will soon be posting more dead turkeys.
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Some people, when they are in a hole, don't have enough sense to stop digging.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Most people are like gophers. They got a lot of holes.
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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