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It is entertaining to see King using the term Fake News. Especially considering all of the Fake News he has posted here over the years in his never ending efforts to undermine our 2nd Amendment.

King has persistently rehashed his totally incorrect opinions about the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms... even after the 2008 Heller and McDonald U.S. Supreme Court decisions affirmed that right:

Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Court departed from the original understanding of the Second. The NRA and other groups rejected the original interpretation. Even as late as 1991, the jurist Burger appointed by Nixon said "the Second Amendment has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud,' on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In 2008, in the District of Columbia v. Heller, what Burger said was fraud was accepted by the court. Interesting stuff.



Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ed, historically the individual "right" to bear arms is relatively new. I believe John Ashcroft in 2002 became the first federal attorney-general to proclaim that individuals should be able to own guns. The Supreme Court in 2008 overturned all mainstream legal and historical scholarship by ruling that there is an individual right to own firearms although with some limits. Obama said it again last week.

I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.



Originally Posted By: King Brown
Dave, Dave, Dave: you're like those fundamentalists who claim Jesus walked with the dinosaurs. There was no NRA at time of the Founding Fathers. The change was recent to what the Second is today. You acknowledge as "infringements" all those jurisdictions making the Second what they want it to be. But still the law.

Whether Americans carry because they can or have to is not the issue. They democratically make decisions on how they want to live. Their homicide record is not edifying among modern societies. It is a violent country.


Yes, King presents this same Fake News and would have us all believe that the NRA twisted and perverted the Original Intent of the Framers, and that our individual right was only invented in recent years. Mounds of evidence to the contrary has never stopped King from presenting his Fake News and false assertions. I've always wondered whether King wasn't the Father of Fake News, and whether such dishonest reporting is what led to his premature departure from journalism after a relatively short career.

Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Court in 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller changed the 200-year-old narrowly interpreted Second from serving in the militia to an individual right. Do you favour democratic processes over justice of stacked courts?

Why I ask, as I mentioned earlier, is that there is no political will to change regulations; Obama talked about it but did nothing. What party would commit suicide by taking away what a majority considers a sacred right?


And there's some more of King's Fake News about the 2nd Amendment, and his repeated lie that Liberal Left Democrat Barack Hussein Obama did nothing but talk about advancing more gun control legislation. We all know that Obama tried to do much more, and considered his failure to pass sweeping anti-gun legislation as his greatest defeat... a defeat by the millions of gun owners who took the time to join the NRA, and call their Congressmen, and vote out the legislators who sided with him.

Of course, my opinion is totally and completely based upon what King posts here. It is his own words which betray him. And I've learned that much of what he posts as facts is nothing but falsehoods, anti-gun dogma, and DNC talking points. The purpose of this thread was to explore rational "common sense" alternatives to new gun laws that would save many more lives... if the intent of all of the hysterics is really a concern with saving lives. Since King obviously isn't here to help, he ought to partner with Ed, Jagermeister, SKB, and rocky mtn bill, and they could start their own pro-gun control thread.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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well, florida's new gun purchase law raizes the legal age to purchase a long gun to 21...it is a restriction, not a prohibition...the state is well within it's right to regulate arms sales...


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Wrong again Ed.

If you are a 20 year old female who lives on her own and desires a long gun for personal protection, it is a prohibition... plain and simple... which means you won't be able to comprehend.

It was only a matter of time before your long standing support for more restrictive gun laws came back out. You never disappoint Ed. Why don't you and King go do your trolling someplace else?

Originally Posted By: ed good
as for the gun control issue...we are the only country in the world that seems to tolerate mass murder, in the name of an individual right...its about time that we as a society realize that we are over gunned with too many super dangerous weapons in the hands of too many super dangerous people... it is long past time to do as the rest of the civilized world has done and simply, disarm...


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Originally Posted By: ed good
well, florida's new gun purchase law raizes the legal age to purchase a long gun to 21...it is a restriction, not a prohibition...the state is well within it's right to regulate arms sales...


Its a prohibition if the citizen is 18 to 21. If the courts have to decide it might as well be the conservative Florida district court within the 11th circuit appeals court.

I predict a similar case in one of the more liberal jurisdictions of the country with a decision opposite what I expect the Florida case will be. Then the Supremes can settle the difference between the appellate circuits...Geo

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as i understand the new law, florida residents under the age of 21 are not prohibited from possessing long guns...they are only restricted from purchasing long guns from ffl dealers...no florida law prohibits the gifting of long guns by others...nor are there new restrictions on non dealer transactions...




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an keet, why not just simply disarm?


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"President Trump signs an executive order that instructed Jeff Sessions to regulate bump stocks".
'President Trump is absolutely committed to ensuring the safety & security of every American and he has directed us to pursue a regulation addressing bump stocks'.

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'We must do more to protect our children'.

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Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
"President Trump signs an executive order that instructed Jeff Sessions to regulate bump stocks".
'President Trump is absolutely committed to ensuring the safety & security of every American and he has directed us to pursue a regulation addressing bump stocks'.


Mere window dressing intended to satisfy wannabes fake internet pretenders like you. There are numerous legal methods of increasing the rate of fire of semi-automatics as innocuous as simply holding the gun loosely.

So are you praising Trump or are you back to knocking him as you did for months prior to then claiming that you voted for him? And what is it really like being a pathetic tire-kicker who still doesn't own any doubles... But feels the need to troll like King and Ed?


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"There are numerous legal methods of increasing the rate of fire of semi-automatics as innocuous as simply holding the gun loosely."...if this is in fact true, then keet you are making the case for adding certain semi autos to the class 3 list, with all of the restrictions that apply...


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