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Originally Posted By: Drew Hause
....Very few of us are so evil, or stupid, that we wouldn't give anything to help those we love....

You make a ton of great points Doc Drew. I notice more and more parents that want the easy way out of spending quality time with their kids. They are happy when kids are quietly occupied by there electronic devices. These parents demand medications for the smallest of growing pains. Many of them are functional recreational drug addicts, yet will turn around and go on about the problems of prescription opioid addiction. Many teens have very little restrictions on the company or hours that they keep.

I think we're creating a good amount of the problems, because some parents like the village concept of passing the notion of responsibility on to others. Tell them the truth that their evil or stupid, and one's likely to get an earful. Not for the kid, but for the parent that got their feelings bent a little out of shape.

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How about the copy cat aspect of it. Many of the perps are looking for fame and notoriety, especially the teenagers. Not to say they aren't unbalanced in some way but the publicity is clearly a factor for many of them.

How about a complete ban on any identifying information about the shooter in the press? That would likely cut down on the frequency, saving lives in the process. However, the press would freak out about their "free speech" rights.

It's all so self serving.


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Being from a screwed up country as Canada why you think anyone would care what you have to say ?

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Keith you raise an intellectually defensible point, which of course the emotion based argument made by teens for gun control would choke on. Which I assume is your point

The reality is this question, increased gun control measures, the left has no intention of actually reasoning over. The left lives in emotion and is not seeking where common solutions in part might be made.

The fight for them is about winning elections, not saving humans. If saving humans were a concern there is actually some common ground that could reduce risks.

Reference today’s youth and their issues, it is to easy to criticize the young, just as people want to blame teachers. If anyone is guilty to a point it is First parents then kids.

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Kind of pointless post on forum frequented by people who enjoy guns. I suspect 2016 was the high water mark for pro-gun voting, there will be fewer such votes in coming elections as demographics of this country change.

Dziadu would be better served if he took few people not familiar with guns or hunting shooting. The only long-term hope is to find new people to enjoy sport shooting or hunting. Preaching to the quire is a f waste of time.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Being from a screwed up country as Canada why you think anyone would care what you have to say ?


Take it easy on our Canadian contributors. Once you get away from Toronto, Ottawa & Vancouver I find a lot in common with our Canadian neighbors & it's interesting to have their perspective.

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If someone wants to help preserve what we enjoy they should take Dilip, Ari, Yun, Jozetta, Aya, Ahmed, Tyrone, .......hunting or shooting.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Being from a screwed up country as Canada why you think anyone would care what you have to say ?


jOe, somewhere there is a tree working tirelessly to produce enough oxygen for you to breathe. I think you owe it an apology.

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In Buffalo, New York we have an excellent African-American gun rights organization named the Dorie Miller Gun Club. Wonderful people.

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Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Kind of pointless post on forum frequented by people who enjoy guns. I suspect 2016 was the high water mark for pro-gun voting, there will be fewer such votes in coming elections as demographics of this country change.

Dziadu would be better served if he took few people not familiar with guns or hunting shooting. The only long-term hope is to find new people to enjoy sport shooting or hunting. Preaching to the quire is a f waste of time.


I'm not sure that this is true. Our firm handles a lot of gun related issues in New York State. We see a lot of gun owners. You would be surprised who supports the Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms. They aren't vocal about it. It's a private decision for many.

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