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I was never in Paris, but spent time in Lyon and St. Etienne. The French were wonderful to me. Not sure what exact restrictions are posted above, but, when I was there I met guys with wonderful gun collections. Hunting was mostly for really, really, rich people, but, there were several clays ranges in both towns.
Want a gun, buy a gun. Want ammunition, go to the store and get it. No questions or forms to screw with. That may have changed, but, it was more restrictive, here, at the time, to buy a gun than in France. The one taboo was military calibers, you couldn't own 45-70, 30-06, 9mm, .45, and some other useful calibers, but, there were plenty of others to choose from. .270, .280, and 300 Win mag were hot when I was there.
Some people I dealt with, in France, bent over backward to help me. One guy, the guy I did most of my business with, grew into a dishonest prick. There was another shyster, but, a former importer clued me in to his act, and I avoided him. I had more problems on my end, then with France, or, Frenchmen.
You don't have to look too hard to find American gunsmiths with poor reputations, or, work ethics, either. Just sayin'.
I've been told most of the gunshops in Paris simply are no more. The Muslim population in Paris is high, and France instituted some unwise immigration policies from former colonies, again, mostly Muslim. The French native population is among the most elderly in the world, and it was thought new immigrants would become skilled and industrious workers, get jobs, and assimilate, helping to support the welfare state.
This hasn't happened. Assimilation isn't what it once was.
Certainly, France was not alone in this mistake, Sweden and Germany have similar issues at the moment. The US had no legal immigration from 1924 until 1965, to allow the new immigrants to assimilate, and I suspect it would work again, here, or, there. That is all I'll say about that.


Best,
Ted

It probably doesn't matter how the restriction translates, as long as it promotes progressive assimilation.

Well, it's easy to make people from EU countries that had colonies to feel better. Alls you gots to tell is that by that by accepting immigrants from developing countries and giving them benefits they're paying them for what yours European grandparents and great-gandparents stole from them. Personally I don't feel bad for the English or French at all. First you rob then you get robbed. Fair, yes? Aliah Akkar!

No. But I do agree that I know a good bit more about both Islam and France than you do.

Actually Craig, it has a whole lot to do with France having been one of the two major colonial powers in Africa. As for terrorism in France, one could say there's been a significant shift. At one time the concern was with those French citizens angry at the government when De Gaulle decided to leave Algeria--which had been a department of France (like one of our states) rather than a colony, and home to about a million Frenchmen. More recently it's because residents of those former colonies, not necessarily Muslim radicals, immigrate to France in search of better jobs. (Logical place for them to go, because they already speak the language.) If things don't work out for them, easy for radical imams to steer them down the road to terrorism. But whether France is the model . . . England and Spain have also had significant problems. Matter of fact, both those countries had their versions of 9/11 before the more recent terrorist incidents in France. So that would seem to indicate that France is not "the model" for importing domestic terrorism.

France had colonies in Africa, South America and SE Asia so they need to take some in to pay what is due to them. In 50 or less the newcomers will accomplish what Turk with sword couldn't. It might benefit the French too as mixed babies are pretty and loss of finger(s) maybe good antidote to stealing. They will give them what EU government can't a death penalty. Several breaks per day for self-reflection also good. Aliah Akkar.

Jag, I don't think I've ever given you a hard time here, but you are getting into bad territory with the terrorism jokes. Just Saying...Geo

Thank you. I have fixed that little misunderstanding for you. Word meditation can also be substituted for prayer if that is what makes you more comfortable.

The warning has nothing to do with shotguns. It warns that "conforming to the law regarding personal data, we (Google) ask that you etc". It is obviously a corporate rear protection exercise. How that connects to shotguns I cannot see.

Worth noting that arms licensing in France is handled by the Prefecture not the police, because as they see it a law abiding citizen has no reason to have dealings with the police. Different cultures different approaches I guess.

There are, of course, many more western European and Scandinavian countries that also have, not had, significant problems.

I appreciate that you made references to recent shifts, thus my thought that current electronic data collection has little to do with limited military cooperation with the US forty years ago. There also seems to be very little indication that most French terror threats are due to repatriated descendants of French citizens from previous colonies.

It wouldn't be a stretch to argue that the face of 'the model' for enabling European terrorism is the no go zone. I decided not to quote it, but it really did strike me as odd that you feel it's not necessarily 'muslim radicals'. Yet, in the following sentence, there are already radical imams present and they are in fact radicalizing more muslims.