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Check if you gun needs a license in Holland!!
Husqvarna Shotguns
From research about the Husqvarna shotguns test program the following conclusion can be drawn:
Guns marked on the barrel "Special Steel" or Niklstal are intended for smokeless powder. This information came from the Husqvarna museum.
The proof mark on Husqvarna shotguns can be a small or large letter H with a crown. From this it cannot be concluded whether the weapon was proof-fired for nitro- or for black powder, only that the gun WAS proof-fired. Research into this marking continues.
Some facts:
Generally, the guns were fitted with steel barrels, but damascus barrels were delivered on demand as late as 1908.
Translation of the test program and quality control from the 1902 catalogue.
"When a barrel bursts, or the gun, for some other reason is damaged during shooting, the gun manufacturer, in most cases, gets the blame with the argument that the reason for the damage is use of bad quality materials, or manufacturing flaw. That such faults should exist on guns delivered from us, we consider that we have prevented, partly by using only best quality materials, and partly, and above all, by the most accurate inspections, and rigorous tests. I.e. the barrels on guns delivered from us have passed two firing tests. The first test, made when the barrel has been pretreated, is carried out with tripled black powder charge, and fivefold shot load. The second test, made when the gun is ready for delivery, is carried out with double powder charge and double shot load. If the barrels and the action has passed there tests, without in any way having been altered, they will not be damaged when using normal powder charges and shot loads, independent of the charge being black powder or suitable low smoke powder. Additionally, from each new set of barrel raw material, samples for test firing are taken. This test firing takes place in such a way that the barrel, drilled to cal. 16, and the outer diameter turned to a diameter that correspond to that of a typical 16 cal. gun, is charged with 14,25 grams of black powder and, initially, at the first shot, loaded with 85 grams of shots. The shot load i increased in such a way that, at the 24th firing, the shot load is 456 grams. For the 25th firing, the charge is increased to 19 grams. Firing continues, for each three firings, the charge is increased, for each firing the shot load is increased, until the barrel bursts. Generally, our barrels, made of Swedish steel, will hold a charge of 14.25 grams of powder, and a shot load of 400 grams. Barrels made of special steel will hold a charge of 23,75 grams of powder and 860 grams of shot load."

Top Lever shotguns
As concluded before, Husqvarna shotguns made after 1908 are designed for smokeless powder. The serial number at the end of 1908 was 55000. Guns with a higher number are considered smokeless.
Note: barrel marked "Special Steel" or Niklstal are always smokeless and damascus barrels are always black powder.

Lefaucheux shotguns
In a court decision it was stated by two experts that the Lefaucheux locking system (with rotating underlever and T-shaped locking piece) is not strong enough to handle smokeless cartridges. Therefore center fire shotguns with the Lefaucheux locking system may be considered as guns that are only suitable for black powder cartridges. If made before 1945 these guns do not require a license in Holland. This means that Husqvarna shotguns with Lefaucheux locking system and a serial number lower than 185.000 do not require a license in Holland. Reference is the court decision which is identified as: Parketnummer 04/610098-02, rechtbank Roermond.
Please note that Husqvarna shotguns with Lefaucheux locking system produced after 1-1-1945 do require a license and historical research has shown that these weapons ARE suitable for the use of nitro powders. Reference: The 1947 catalog of the company Vapendepoten.

Combination shotguns
The combination guns from Husqvarna are odd in it's kind. All shot barrels are combined with black powder rifle cartridge barrels. This fact is not a guarantee that all combination guns are black powder guns. The reason is that in some cases, depending on the manufacturing year and model, the shot barrel is suitable for a smokeless cartridges.
The combination guns where made in 3 models: model 17 A/B/C (Lefaucheux system), model 48 A/B/C (Top Lever system) and the model 52 A/B/C (Top Lever system). The letter A,B or C indicates for which rifle cartridge the gun was made.
The same general rule that applies to shotguns also applies to combination guns.
All model 17 combination guns were made before 1945 and have the Lefaucheux locking system. These guns can therefore be considered as black powder guns and do not require a license in Holland of the number is below 185000.
The model 48 and 52 are top lever guns and for them the changeover year (blackpowder to nitro) was 1908 so any of these combination top lever guns require a license in Holland when the serial number is over 55000.
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The above is only a rule of thumb. If documentary evidence is provided that a particular weapon, not mentioned above, complies with the criteria of article 18 RWM, that evidence takes precedence and the license requirement does not apply.

Maybe everyone knew this, but if you didn't you might find it interesting. Pete

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This is great...thank you!

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"The first test, made when the barrel has been pretreated, is carried out with tripled black powder charge (3.25 Dram x 3 = 9.75?), and fivefold shot load (1 1/4 oz. x 5 = 6.25 oz???)." A possibly translation error?

For comparison, until the 1924 revisions The Banc D'Epreuves Des Armes a Feu De Liege (Proof House for Firearms of Liege) First Obligatory Proof Load for 12g breech plugged tubes intended for Double-Barreled Breech-Loading Sporting Guns was 21 grams = 324 grains = 11.8 Drams powder and 32 grams = 1.12 oz. shot

British Provisional Proof (tube bored, ground, and with chamber cut and threaded for a plug) 1855-1925 for 2 1/2 and 2 5/8 12 gauge shells for a service load of 3 1/4 Dram Eq. with 1 1/4 oz. shot was 9 3/4 Dram T.P. (Tower Proof R.F.G. 2) No. 4 or No. 5 Black Powder with 1 1/4 oz. shot.

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"The second test, made when the gun is ready for delivery, is carried out with double powder charge and double shot load."

Banc D'Epreuves Des Armes a Feu De Liege, 1906
Third Obligatory Proof for double breech loading sporting weapons; finished barrels attached to finished action
12g / 18.4 mm with 11.6 gram = 179 gr. = 6.5 Drams powder and 47.3 gram = 1.67 oz. shot

Hunter Arms' definitive proof for 12g 2 3/4 was 6.5 Drams with 1.687 oz. shot = 14,200 psi + 10-14%

Ithaca advertisements stated that barrels were proved with a double charge of powder and 1 1/2 times the normal shot load; or (possibly) 6 1/2 Drams Black Powder with 2 1/4 oz. of shot if the standard load was 1 1/8 oz. shot and 3 1/4 Dram Eq.



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