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John Mann #50067 07/27/07 03:38 AM
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I stand with you John Mann on your comments about your friend!

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Friends are the guys that screw you the worst...when they screw everybody it gets embarrasing.

John Mann #50076 07/27/07 07:17 AM
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Material things are important John, there's a gent here(read above), who may have a hard time claiming his family gun.
To rub salt into this open wound, he's lost his money also.
Btw, not sure a 'smith's loggin is proof of ownership.
They'll be hoops to jump thru, and time spent - that's for sure.
Know this, the small businessman has creative ways to use your money before the job is compeleted.

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Lowell Glenthorne #50086 07/27/07 08:35 AM
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Let's see, a gunsmith who is really good at what he does. A gunsmith who charges at the top of the fee range. A gunsmith who has so much work, he can't put it out fast enough to keep up. A business being operated at "rust belt" rent rates. Gunsmith can't pay his bills. What's wrong with this picture? He should have barrels of the green stuff. Those who say "There is more to this picture" are probably right.

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How many men have you known, that either fell apart over booze, women, gambling or the dreaded drugs, or the worst of all the IRS?

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All of their own doing – can’t feel too sorry. This Andy guy systematically stole, connived, mislead and deceived customers (assuming we have the facts) – not sure I am ready to rush to his defense. My sympathy is with the hard working men and women who entrusted their money and guns with this guy.

I doubt anyone on this site will shed a tear if I drink myself silly, gamble my way to the poor house or cheat my way to a date with the IRS – why Andy.

Want a reason to show compassion, love and understanding – go to a cancer ward, a veteran’s hospital, a battered women’s center … there is a difference.

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A man must read to participate on this BBS. Is it not understood that he must comprehend what he reads?
Please show me where Andy and/or his actions are being defended.
My empathy is for our friend Parris and his loss of someone important in his life.
We all, not just Andy's clients, have lost and have difficulty ahead in recovering property, confidence or money.
I may be accused of being obtuse, in my writing, and will make effort to be more clear in the future.
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John Mann #50102 07/27/07 10:20 AM
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I and most of the people on this board knew exactly what you were saying John because we always take the time to not only read but to understand!!!!
All the best

John Mann #50103 07/27/07 10:28 AM
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When I started reading this thread with all the talk of black SUV's pulling up out back, I got the impression that the businessman in question had somehow been stealing customer's guns and selling them out the back door of his shop or something. As I read further, it appears he is just another failed small-businessman and has not paid his rent for some reason. If he has been slow finishing up promised work for customers, so what; so has every other gunsmith I've ever employed to do work for me. I don't know the guy but I'm sorry an apparently talented gun-guy may be out of business...Geo

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I trust what Parris says about Andy, am very glad my gun is no longer in his shop, and sympathize with the victims of his recent bad choices. It's a shame that they now have to take extraordinary steps to recover their guns. I hope Andy can somehow recover and put things right with those who've sent him their guns and money for work not completed.

I had only one transaction with Andy, a couple years ago. He reblued barrels and frame of my M-21, did a first-rate job in reasonable time, and at much lower cost than I got from Galazan's. When I carelessly scratched the barrels with my watchband my first time afield with the gun several months later, he took them back and made them good as new without charging me.

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