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Call it what you may but LAC guns & Ithaca built Lefever Nitro Specials share nothing in common, but the name Lefever, they are totally different guns, built in a different time frame.
The discussion concerning Foreign Proof Marks & SN sequence's was concerning LAC guns which was made plain at the beginning of the thread. Nitro specials were not even being built when this was taking place.
All LAC built guns do share several common features, though there are indeed design changes over the years.
Some of the barrel makers mark are GL, I believe this one is on Damascus barreled guns. I have SB&CO marked barrels of both Damascus & Smokeless & there is as I recall LLC marke smokeless barrels, I believe this one is more often found on Ithaca assembled guns, though not certain.
It could also be said that Purdey's & Crescent's share some common features, they are both SxS doubles, many have two triggers & both are sidelock's. "WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE" between them. If you understand that you should well understand the difference between an LAC gun & a Nitro Special. They are simply not in the same category of either design or workmanship.
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I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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I don't think that is a fair assessment of LeFever. He was born 25 years too early. Starting at the end of muzzle loading wasted 20 years of his productive life in what became the double gun period. What you see as a constant changes are what I see as evolution in his design. His guns are trim, handle well, seem to last just about forever. I wish he made far more high grade ones because the engraving is as good as anything Remington made.
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Ithaca... like you didn't already know...Geo you say that like it is an insult.... and yes I know the difference....but for some reason the attitude of most "Lefever" owners rubs me the wrong way.....they have some diluted opinion that the Lefever is the be all and end all in American doubles....more of a designer that couldn't make up his mind what he wanted to do..... Cool your jets Gunut, I knew you were joking and just pointed it out. Sorry if I offended...Geo
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The SB&Co mark on Lefevers is likely Samuel Buckley & Co. rather than Sanderson Bros. & Co. The ‘LLH’ of Laurent Lochet-Habran has been found on Fox, Baker, Lefever, Crescent, Ithaca (Lewis & Flues with ‘Smokeless Powder Steel’), NID, Lefever Nitro Special, Lefever M-2 single barrel, and Westernfield Deluxe/Western Arms Long Range, Smith Royal, Armor, London, Crown and Nitro barrels and Hunter Arms Fulton and “Ranger” for Sears. Baker guns may be marked “Nitro Rolled Steel” and Folsom Crescent guns “Fluid Temper Steel”. More here https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=17ixogftgITEblNUWtmFBv96ZvgjK6eFell8GsAWd-KI
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Gunut
No I don't have a problem with Nitros but they are not Lefevers. They have nothing to do with Lefevers. Its a hardwear store gun that Ithaca built using the Lefever name. Not trying to be rude but its the truth.
If your not interested in what I've posted please don't read it or reply.
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