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This is a Mr Serre Ft (Fabricant=maker) in St Etienne, e.g. a last name.
15 rue Chapelon in the early 1930s.
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Thanks, WC. That looks like the answer to what's on the barrels.

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WC, I liked SMP16ga's o/u and at the time did some research on the retailer Roturier, Ste. Foy la Grande.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=452969

He sent me a PM saying he has not corresponded with Ste. Foy la Grand but has had it checked out and is shooting it. I'll post your find on his line if you don't mind....more history for his gun. The 1930's date for the gun maker pretty well aligns with the conclusion we came up with re the font used for Roturier on the gun and on his pre-WWII shop. So presumably Heurtier made the barrels; M. Serre put the gun together, Roturier sold it...as complete a history of a 1930's St. Etienne gun as one could come up with.

(is there a name for Swampcattle? - Bovine de la Marais or something?)

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"Bétail enlisé"
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Here's something I can't find on the list....barrel wall thickness.

Anyone got any idea how to say that in French?

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épaisseur de la paroi du canon - I think this might work; I saw it somewhere recently-naturabuy.Fr maybe.:

edit: Also found these:
-- épaisseur du tube - (from passionlachasse.fr_
-- épaisseur des parois
-- épaisseur des parois du canon - would of course be plural - i.e. thickness of the walls of the barrel.

More technical:
EPREUVE INDIVIDUELLE DES ARMES
CARACTERISTIQUES DES MATERIAUX ET EPAISSEURS DES PAROIS DU CANON ET DE LA CHAMBRE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES - RECOMMANDATION (COMPTES RENDUS XVII ET XXIII)
http://www.cip-bobp.org/sites/default/files/CIP-Epreuve-FR.pdf

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Thank you Gene!


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In the next few days, I'm going to repost both the French-English and English-French lists on this board with the additions we've left out to consolidate them. If anyone has more items to add, post them here or send them to me. Once they are reposted...we'll have about a month to edit them before they're locked again. Gene


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Updated repost including terms left out of the first page post

A

Abîmé(e) - spoiled/ruined/damaged
Acier - steel
Acier chocolat - excessively soft steel (Belgian trade vernacular)
Acier damas (also "damas") - damascus steel
Acier revenu - tempered steel
Acier trempé - quenched steel
Argent - silver
...vieil argent - old silver
Ailes - side clips
Âme du canon - bore
Amorce - primer
Amortisseur - pad (as in buttpad)
Ancien - old
Anson et Deeley; Anson- box lock
Arabesque - Scroll (engraving)
Arme de poing - hand gun
Arme d’épaule - long gun
arme à percution centrale - centerfire gun
Armé - cocked
Armurier - gun shop owner
Armurerie - gun shop, not a maker, historically a body armor vendor
Arquebusier - Gun maker (abbreviated as "Arqr")
Artisan - artisan
Avantage (à droite, à gauche) - cast-off, cast-on

B

Baguette de nettoyage - ramrod, cleaning rod
Banc d’épreuves - proof house
Bande - rib
...Prolongement de la bande - extension of the rib (to the receiver)
...Bande ventilée - ventilated rib
Bande a tenon d'accrochage s'encastrant dans la bascule - doll’s head
Band de visee - ventilated rib
Balle - bullet or slug
Bascule - receiver/action
Bascule ronde - round receiver
Basculeur - tradesman putting the action together
Bec - heel
Bec de Crosse - heel of the butt plate
Bille acier - steel shot
Bois - wood
...Bois de noyer - walnut
......Noyer blond - blond walnut
...Bois d'érable - maple
Boitier - housing
Bouche - muzzle
Bouchon de canon - bullet starter (muzzle loader)
Bouchon de percuteur - Firing pin bushing
Bouquets (gravure à) - rose engraving
Bourre - wad
Brasé - brazed
...brasé sur - brazed on
Bretelle - sling
...Bretelle à enrouleur - retractable sling (like on a Ideal)
...Brettelle retractable - retractable (built in) sling
Brevet - Patent
Breveté(e) - patented
...Breveté(e) SGDG - model patent ("sans garantie du gouvernement")- Patented Without Guarentee of the Government". French distinction that designates a technical patent in the U.S. sense, as opposed to trademark and the old design patent number system that dealt only with name and shape.
Brisure, à - Breakage
Broche - pinfire
Bronze - bronze; (copper and tin alloy)
Bronzage - barrel blacking
Busc - comb (for a stock)

C

Cale - wedge (in a double rifle), or spacer between barrels
Calibre - caliber
Canon - barrel
...Canons frettés - sleeved barrel set (externally sleeved or jacketed, built-up barrels)
...Canons juxtaposés - SxS double barrel
...Canon lisse - smoothbore
...Canons miroir - mirror finish bores
......Canonnerie miroir - ditto
...Canons mixtes (Arme à) - cape gun
...Canon monobloc - Barrel set made in one block of steel
...Canon poli - honed barrel
...Canon rayé - rifled barrel
...Canon rayé dispersant -Rifled spreader barrel (usually Euro woodcock guns)
...Canons superposés - over/under
Canonnier - barrel maker
Capuche - metal piece surrounding the Deeley forearm push button
Carabine - rifle, carbine
Carabine de salon - indoor rifle
Carabine de jardin - light rifle, rook rifle
Cartouches à plombs - shot shell
Cartouches à balle - slug shell
Cartouche de rechargement - reloader
Chambrage - chamber(ing)
Chambre - chamber
Chevrotines - buck shot (large shot 2 - 000)
Chien - hammer
… Crête de chien - hammer spur
Chevrotines - buckshot.
Chiens extérieurs - external hammers
Choke - Choke
… Cylindrique - cylinder choke (synonym: lisse)
... Demi choke - Modified choke
... Plein-full (as in choke
Chêne - Oak
Chromage - chromed bores
Chromé(e) - chrome plated
Clé - key
Clé Beringer - type of underlever also called Pontet-Serpent
Clé de bascule - top lever key
Clé devant pontet - underlever (Lefraucheux).
Clé d’ouverture - opening key
Clé longueur - side lever
Clé sur le dessus - top lever key
Coffret - case (to put the gun in)
Contre-platines - side-plates
Convergence - regulation (shotgun or double rifle)
Coquille - action ball (fences)
...Coquilles de la Bascul - fences
Coquille de fusil de chasse - empty shotgun shell casing; Husk or Hull
Corne - horn
Cran de sécurité - Safety catch
Crête de chien - hammer spur
Crochet - barrel lump
...Crochets d’attache - barrel lump
...Crochets ajustés en queue d’aronde - dovetailed lump
...Crochet du canon - same
...Crochet encastré - dovetailed lump (embedded)
...Crochets rapportés - non integral lumps
Crosse - stock
...Crosse anglaise - English stock
...Crosse à joue - stock with cheek piece
...Crosse de borgne - crossover stock
...Crosse demi-pistolet - round knob grip stock
...Crosse pistolet - pistol grip stock
Crossier - stock maker
Cuir - leather (for the sling)
...Cuir surpiqué - double layered sown leather
Culot - Brass base of the shotgun shell
Cuivre - copper
Culasse - standing breech or bolt
Culasse mobile - movable breech (i.e. on a Darne)
Cylindrique - cylinder choke (synonym: lisse)

D

Damasquiné - damascened
dans son jus - original, never modified or restored
Demi-armé - half cocked (for hammer guns)
Demi-bloc - chopper lump
Détente - trigger
...Double détente - double trigger
...Monodétente - single trigger
......Monodétente sélective - selective single trigger
Devant - foreend
Devant à pompe - Deeley pushbutton forearm
D'occasion - used
Doré - gold filled
repoussé en ???
Double détente - double trigger
double verrou de fermeture - double locking bolt

E

Ébène - ebony
Écouvillon - cleaning rod and implement
...Écouvillon en laiton - brass barrel (cleaning) brush
écusson - shield (on a stock)
éjecteurs automatiques - automatic ejectors
éjecteur/extracteur a grand développement - ejector contact point on the hull is over 1/4 of the circumference. Normally high-end guns only.
Emouler de Canons de Fusil- Barrel Grinder/Polisher (archaic)
étui - shell, cartridge
enfoncements - dents
épaisseur - thickness
épaisseur des parois du canon - Barrel walls thickness
Épreuves - proof
...Banc d’épreuves - proof house
...double épreuve - double proof
...triple épreuve - triple proof
...épreuve ordinaire - version of normal proof
...épreuve ordinaire - modern day "triple proof"
érable - maple (wood)
état - condition
...état mécanique - mechanical condition
...état moyen - so so condition; medium condition
...état mauvais - bad condition
…Pas en bon état - not in good condition
...état neuf - new condition
étranglement - choke
Etui - Gun case; gun slip
Express (also double "express") - double rifle
Extracteur - extractors

F

Fabricant (also abbreviated as "Fabt") - maker
Fausses-platines - side-plates
Fermeture en “T" - Jones underlever also known as "T" Anglais
Feu central, arme à - centerfire (gun)
Feuillet(s) - sight leaf
Feutrine - baize (gun case)
Finition - finish
…Finition argent - silver finish
…Finition blue - blued finish
…Finition canon de fusil - gunmetal finish
…Finition chromée - chrome finish
…Finition nickelée - nickel finish.
…Finition noir - blued finish
Forage - bore (barrel)
Frères - Brothers
Frette - monoblock;
Fusil - firearm (normally a shotgun but also a military rifle)
...Fusil à broche - pinfire gun
...Fusil à canon scié - sawed off shotgun
...Fusil à chargement par la bouche - muzzle loader
...Fusil à Chien - hammer gun
...Fusil de chasse - shotgun
...Fusil juxtaposé - double gun
... Fusil juxtaposé Artisanal Français - Artisanal French double gun (quite often maker not known)
...Fusils lever-action - lever action gun
......Fusil à levier de sous-garde - ditto
......Fusil levier sous garde - ditto
...Fusil à percussion - muzzle loading, percussion rifle
...Fusil à piston - percussion gun
...Fusil à pompe - pump gun (also "branlette" in French hunting vernacular)
...Fusil à silex - flintlock

G

Gachette - sear; trigger
Gachette interruptrice - safety sear
gâchette facile - trigger happy
Garnisseur - tradesman assembling barrels, ribs and lumps
Graveur - engraver
Gravure(s) - engraving(s)
Grenadière - sling swivel
Grenailles - smaller shot (in a shotgun shell) (4-9)
Goupille - round pin
Goupille de charnière - hinge pin
Guidon - front sight
... protège-guidon - sight hood
Guilloché(e) - ornamented with geometric design
...Vis guillochées - ornamented screws

H

Hausse - back sight (originally adjustable type)

I

Illisible - illegible

J

Jaspage - case coloring
Jaspé(e) - case colored
Jaugé - guage
Jaugé à - gauged, measured at
Jaugé de chambre - chamber measuring gage
Jeu - play (in the sense of movement)
...Jeu dans la bascule - (play in the receiver)
...sans jeu - without play
Joue - cheekpiece
...Joue allemande - German style cheeckpiece
Juxtaposé - side by side

L

Laine d’acier - steel wool
Laiton - Brass: alloy - 70 parts copper; 30 parts zinc
Lefaucheux à clé - type of underlever
Levier - Lever
levier d'armement - cocking lever
Levier de sécurité (ou sécurité) - safety lever
Levier de sous garde - cocking underlever (Winchester type)
Levier sous la longuesse - underlever
Levier à volute - type of underlever
Longuesse - forestock
Longuesse à poussoir - Anson forend (forestock with pushrod release)
Longuesse-sous-main amovible - underlever
loupe d’accrochage - doll’s head
Lunette - scope

M

Maniable - easy to the hand/handy
Moitié armé - half cocked (for hammer guns)
Mono-canon - single barrel
Monodétente - single trigger
manouvrable - handy
Monteur à bois - stocker
Moulé(e) - molded

N

Nickelé(e) - nickel plated
Noix - Hammer axis

O

Oeilleton - peep sight
Or - gold
...Or fin - fine gold
doré - gold plated or gold applique
Oreille - Sideclip
Organes de visée - sights
Orné(e) - ornamented
Ouverture par clé devant pontet - underlever
Ouverture sous pontet - underlever
Oxydation - oxydation

P

Paire - pair of guns
Pente - drop
...Pente au busc - drop at comb
...Pente au talon - drop at heel
Percussion centrale - center percussion, center fire (hammer gun)
Percuteur - Firing pin
Pièce d'armurerie - piece of firearms manufacture ???
Pierrage - honing
Pique - pitted
...Piqûres - pitting
...Petites piqûres - light pitting
Planchette - back sight folding leaf
Plaque de couche - butt plate
Plaqué(e) - plated
Platine - side lock
...Platine Holland - front lock as made by H&H or others
...Platine arrière - back lock
...Platine avant - front lock
...Platine démontable - hand removable sidelock
...Platine encastrée - embedded locks
...Platine rebondissante - rebounding lock
Plein--full (as in choke)
Plomb - lead (shot)
poids de la détente. - trigger pull
Poignee - pistol grip
Poinçon - stamp
...Poinçons réglementaires - legal stamps
...Poinçons d'épreuve - proof marks
Poire à poudre - powder horn; powder flask
Poli(e) - polished
polisseur - barrel grinder
polissage en long - longitudinal honing
Poncée huile (Crosse) - sanded with oil finish (stock)
Pontet - trigger guard
Pontet-Serpent - type of underlever also called Clé Beringer
Pontet à volute - trigger guard with volute in front
Portée - range (as in shooting distance)
Poudre - powder (gunpowder)
...Poudre blanche--smokeless powder
...Poudre pyroxylée - smokeless powder (French)
...Poudre sans fumée - smokeless powder
...Poudre Vive - smokeless Powder ( Belgian)
Poussoir - push rod (forestock)
propre - clean, nice

Q

Quadrillage - Checkering
Quadrilleur - Checkerer
Queue d’aronde - dovetail (old French for"swallow tail" which is more accurate than dove tail, actually)

R

Rallonge de crosse - stock extension
Rayé à chargement par la bouche - muzzle loader rifle
Rayures - scratches or rifling
Relevé - cocked
Relime - steel parts shaping (by chisel or file)
Relimeur - tradesman shaping the action and other parts
Ressort - spring
Ressort à lames - Coil spring
ressort spirale - spiral spring
Restauration - restoration
Réticule - Reticle (scope)
Rinceaux - leaves and branches (engraving)
Rouille - rust
...Rouille légère - light rust

S

Sabot - butt pad
Sabot - sabot projectile
Scène de chasse - hunting scene (engraving)
Sécurité - safety
Sécurité dès qu'elle est arméee - safety automatically on when cocked
Serré - tight
SGDG - see Brevete SGDG
Similor - alloy; 100 parts Red copper; 12 parts zinc
Soudure - solder
…Soudure d’argent/à l'argent - Silver solder
…Soudure à l’étain - Tin solder (lead and tin mixed)
…Soudure de cuivre - Copper brazing (red coper, old silver, antimony, zinc, etc.)
Stéphanois - from Saint-Etienne region
Successeur (also abbreviated to "succr") - Successor to
souplesse de la gâchette - trigger pull
Sûreté - safety

T

"T" Anglais - Jones underlever also known as “Fermeture en T"
Talon - heel
Talon de crosse - upper point of the butt plate
Tirant de Crosse - Stock attachment bolt
Tire-cartouche - extracteur
Tirette - action rod
Tombac - alloy; 16 parts copper; 1 part zinc; 1 part tin
Tonnerre - place where the ignition happen
triple verrou Greener - Triple lock of a double Purdey bite and a Greener 3rd
Triple Verrou Purdey” - Triplel lock in case of a Purdey nose 3rd bite.
Triple verrou - triple lock
Triplette - 3-gun set
Tromblon - blunderbuss (or bad shotgun)
Tube - barrel tube
Type anglais - English style

V

Valise - Case
Verrou - lock, also bolt
Verrou de fermeture - closing bolt
Verrou vertical - rising bite
Verrouillage - locking system
Vernis - varnish
Vis - Screw


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Boudrole: A term for the cylinder of steel in a Greener Crossbolt?

Boudrole - Petit cylindre traversé d une tige quadrangulaire pour fermeture de fusils à triple verrous système Greiner. Arme de luxe.

https://books.google.com/books?id=cqHYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=Triple+Verrou++Fermeture+Syst%C3%A8me+Fermeture+Li%C3%A8geoise&source=bl&ots=FQFg6GnEs9&sig=ACfU3U1G0Zq_h67kgidRnpupwjH305D_lw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwim4eXU8v7oAhXjdN8KHZ93ACYQ6AEwCnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Triple%20Verrou%20%20Fermeture%20Syst%C3%A8me%20Fermeture%20Li%C3%A8geoise&f=false

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