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I cannot find a review with point of impact testing. That would be my first concern. If it proves to not shoot to point of aim, what will the dealer/maker do for you?
This is the biggest issue facing the two barrel consumer in the market today. Amen. SRH Exactly why I came here looking for answers, I cannot seam to find any real reviews on the DEA 12 ga. and that might just be the answer. TM
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What aspects of the DEA underpin it's value to you? Why the DEA as opposed to another shotgun? Actually nothing, in fact the reason for the question in the first place was to find out if there are any aspects of the DEA that would cause me to want to own one, from this thread there doesn't seam to be any. However since this thread was posted, and because of some of the replies I am now looking at the Beretta 471 as a possible candidate. What I am looking for is a well built, or at least built by a reputable manufacturer that is established, just in case I need any parts in the future, side by side 12 gauge that doesn't weigh a ton, has interchangeable chokes, that can handle modern ammunition, steel as well as lead. Where I live waterfowl is just about the only real bird shooting we get unless I could catch these stupid Eurasian pigeons in an area where it was legal to shoot. I live at 5800' and by the time dove season hits most of the dove have decided to get killed in Mexico. And I just love fondling double shotguns! Thanks TM
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There are plenty of reviews and all of them really like the Fausti DEA. For an upland game gun. But you may not like how light it is if its going to be a dedicated waterfowl gun. But then again I know people who use their old Model 37s for waterfowl and they're light. Call them. http://www.faustiusa.com
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There are plenty of reviews and all of them really like the Fausti DEA. For an upland game gun. But you may not like how light it is if its going to be a dedicated waterfowl gun. But then again I know people who use their old Model 37s for waterfowl and they're light. Call them. http://www.faustiusa.com Thank you for the reply, actually recoil doesn't really effect me, I shoot a lot of magnum large bore guns, and have had several 10 ga shotguns, but carrying those heavy 10ga.'s leaves a lot to be desired,I used to pack them jump shooting all day long, but now not so much. Thanks again. Terry
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Treb- Would you call a salesman to ask why you should buy their wares?
Probably the best place to ask is if Don Amos has one in his database. It's pointless to ask the maker, the dealer, or the person that was handed one to use gratis for a puff magazine piece.
There are no "bad" shotguns coming out of Brescia.
Interchangeable parts, close tolerances, monoblocking, and quality control, see to the tremendous consistency of Italian made shotguns.
Whether the design pleases the owner is another matter. Perhaps the dynamics of a game gun, however beautiful, prevent an owner from shooting it well.
Out there doing it best I can.
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Is it too much to expect at the $5,000+ price point that the gun be individually targeted, advertised as such, and be supplied with targets that show POI?
THAT might sell me the gun.
It seems that modern production techniques do not equal the old style way of individual regulation regardless of country of origin and we hear endless sob stories of guns that simply don't shoot where they are pointed.
If the double gun industry, what's left of it, wants to increase sales it would seem that this is the problem to solve.
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SGJ I don't think I've ever read of any convergence problems from Italian manufacturers. If I understand how their assemblies are made, I'd expect either none, or thousands.
Out there doing it best I can.
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Here's a start: http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=102631&page=1I've heard POI issues with Ruger, CSMC, Rizzini, and Dickenson to name a few specific ones. I'd submit that induction brazing in a jig does not necessarily always result in acceptable barrels. More importantly without individual targeting like they used to do (because the customers demanded it) in the old days, there's no way for the maker to know what he's shipping.
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Yes, I had a 20 gauge Ruger Red Label that had horrendous POI. The only shotgun that had a worse POI was an old 20 Gauge Flues I had.
Then I bought this no name Italian O/U but built in Brescia for a song and it threw a perfect POI with, I might add, a great pattern.
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It's the luck of the draw, I guess.
I had a 12 gauge RRL that shot well but I just couldn't stand the heavy barrel set.
Hopefully a happy Fausti Dea ('goddess' in Italian) shooter will chime in soon and enlighten us.
They don't seem to have made a huge impact in the market, at least here.
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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