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Sidelock
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Hello Makintrax73,
I usually suggest that you use the gun "AS IS" for one year and then if you want more open chokes then yes I would have it opened for your style of shooting.
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Thanks for the advice guys. I will use it and try it with the current chokes. Just got a flat of RST shells, but perhaps another order with a couple boxes of spreaders will be the ticket.
I do reload, but not 16ga. My reading indicates that I can use low pressure 2 3/4" recipes in a 2 1/2" hull then use an overshot card and roll crimp? I can do that without a new press I believe? I got a spreadsheet from the Yahoo 16 ga group with plenty of loads. I have some Herco which appears to work.
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You will be disappointed with spreader loads. They're fine for released quail and maybe woodcock, but in my experience with both RST and Polywad, the spreader loads fall apart at about 20 or 25 yards and are useless. Sometimes you just gotta open some choke...Geo
By the way welcome to our dysfunctional little family here!
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Skeet's/Dean Harris is THE place for superb choke and barrel work.
JR
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Neat gun. Gun collectors of some standard production guns (for example Model 21,.....) worry about originality. Opening choke constriction to more practical degree actually adds value to this gun.
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You will be disappointed with spreader loads. They're fine for released quail and maybe woodcock, but in my experience with both RST and Polywad, the spreader loads fall apart at about 20 or 25 yards and are useless. Sometimes you just gotta open some choke...Geo
By the way welcome to our dysfunctional little family here! I have a different perspective about spreaders. IMO, spreaders for hunting are for close range use only, 20 yards or less. I've never seen the patterns fall apart at those distances, and have used and patterned at least four different brands plus some I rolled myself. They have served me perfectly out to even 25 yards when shot out of a full choke. I qualified for the L C Smith team, in the Smith/Parker challenge a few years ago at Backwoods, shooting my 16 ga. w/ F and F chokes, and Polywad SpredRs on every bird, even the longish ones. My score was 22/25 as I recall. The poster said his gun is shooting modified patterns now, with regular RST loads. A spreader in one barrel and a regular load throwing 60 % patterns in the other is a very useful gun. Everything is covered. Just one man's perspective and experience. SRH
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Welcome to the board. I like your gun. However, I have a system of valuation based on past auction returns. Said system is based on Brand Value (BV), Original Quality grade (OQ), and Current Condition (CC).
BV4 = lesser known Continental makers
OQ6 = second grade BLE
CC5 = needs work or a properly done restoration
BV4-OQ6-CC5 = $668 for 12 bore. 16 bore has in recent history commanded about 1.25 - 1.5X premium. CC5 may be a tad low, too. Also, I think you bought from a "top-o-the-heap" retailer where you pay a little more for better service. Note that value is only a starting place in the determination of price (amount agreeable to a willing buyer and willing seller).
So, all in, yes, I think you paid top dollar for it, but got a nice gun. As you noted, top dollar at this level is still reasonable. If you like the gun, then you have nothing to worry about as far as value goes. You would be unlikely to get your money back if you sold it, but, then, that is not why you bought it, is it?
Hope you find the foregoing of some use and no offense intended.
DDA
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Skeet's/Dean Harris is THE place for superb choke and barrel work.
JR If he's the guy who works on the Skeets bore and choke gauges, then he gets my recommendation for that as well. Mine had a minor issue (can't recall just what), and he turned it around so quickly and charged me so little that I sent him more than he billed me.
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You will be disappointed with spreader loads. They're fine for released quail and maybe woodcock, but in my experience with both RST and Polywad, the spreader loads fall apart at about 20 or 25 yards and are useless. Sometimes you just gotta open some choke...Geo
By the way welcome to our dysfunctional little family here! I have a different perspective about spreaders. IMO, spreaders for hunting are for close range use only, 20 yards or less. I've never seen the patterns fall apart at those distances, and have used and patterned at least four different brands plus some I rolled myself. They have served me perfectly out to even 25 yards when shot out of a full choke. I qualified for the L C Smith team, in the Smith/Parker challenge a few years ago at Backwoods, shooting my 16 ga. w/ F and F chokes, and Polywad SpredRs on every bird, even the longish ones. My score was 22/25 as I recall. The poster said his gun is shooting modified patterns now, with regular RST loads. A spreader in one barrel and a regular load throwing 60 % patterns in the other is a very useful gun. Everything is covered. Just one man's perspective and experience. SRH This has been my experience with spreaders as well. I use Polywad English 1 oz. of #6 in the right tube of my double and am quite pleased with the results over the last two seasons. For Sporting Clays I use RST 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz. #7 1/2 in both barrels of the same gun (a 12 ga. 30" barrels choked Mod. and Full) with very pleasing results. I like the results of these two brands of spreaders and can recommend them with the fullest of confidence.
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To be fair, spreaders have worked well for me with more tightly choked guns on close birds like quail. My luck using them a time or two on doves was dismal though.
Could be my shooting prowess of course. After all less then two weeks ago I shot the wrong deer...Geo
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