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Gene,
French proof, by law, was always the highest in Europe. While I'd always advise an accurate measurement by a GOOD gunsmith (not Bubba, the 870 mechanic down the street) it would be an unusual French gun with lengthened chambers that would be un-usable with ammunition that was a least in the vicinity of the pressure it was originaly designed to use.
Anecdotal story: When I was in St. Etienne, I had an R10 restocked to fit me. Someone stateside had decided it needed it's chokes relieved, and the gun had suffered something that left pimple bulges in the left tube. Some genius also decided to backbore the tubes. These are heavy barrels, and the thinnest area the maker could find was still .060, and most, was much closer to .090.
They assured me it was safe to use as is. I have used it, even with the Federal "Pheasants Forever" loading of 1 1/4oz of fives for late season roosters here in MN. I have guns that typically get the nod over the Darne for that work these days, mostly because the Darne has no and little choke left in the tubes, but, I wouldn't think twice about it, if the situation called for it.

No problems to report, save the little guy does let you know, in no uncertain terms, when one of those rounds has gone off in the gun. I don't notice recoil when shooting in cold blood, however.

Measure, first. But, French guns, especially, will usually be OK.

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I measure every gun I buy these days. Both barrel wall thickness and chokes. After 75-100 plus years use and abuse you never know what you will find. Plus my peace of mind improves when I know the barrels are in good shape. Others use the heavy load with a gun tied to a tire proof system which I find highly suspect.

I have a Baker which has some of the thickest barrels on any double I own. Thinnest area is over .065 and they are choked .055 on both barrels. Stout does not begin to describe it. It looks like a main tank battle gun. If I did not measure them I would never have guessed how thick the barrels are. It is a great heavy water fowl gun if only I lived back off the Chesapeake bay. Soon, soon.

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Pictures of the flats from the seller:







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They look like pretty standard Belgian proofs to me...

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20:65, and otherwise looking good. While one can only tell for sure through an in-hand inspection, I'd say you got a good deal, FSJR. Especially considering the amount and quality of the engraving.


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Yes, I'll post more pictures when it comes in. It appears to me that the barrels are marked both 16.0 and 15.9. I'm guessing 16.0 is the diameter of the bore and 15.9 is the choke? Following that chain of logic I'm looking at skeet or cylinder choked barrels? Am I correct in this thinking?

If that's the case, it would make a real nice woodcock gun...

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I'd hazard that the 16.0 and 15.9 are the actual bores (Âme du canon) of the two barrels...each slightly different...and have nothing to do with chokes. At least that would be the case with a Saint Etienne gun. 20 gauge.

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I picked up this Belgian 20 today. Two interesting developments and on slightly disappointing one. We'll start with the disappointment...It has a very slight side to side looseness. This was not mentioned in the auction. I'm going to contact the seller and see what his thoughts are on the subject. The first interesting thing as that it weighs 5.5 lbs with 27.5" barrels. That is a pure joy to any woodcock or grouse hunter. The second interesting thing is that the forend seems to have a very interesting mechanism just behind the ejector "hammers" (for lack of a more knowledgeable word). I noticed that when I press the top lever to the right the barrels seem to fall open even when cocked. When the triggers are depressed and the action is opened, the ejectors fire and then the gun seems to require a bit of a hard pressure curve to close the gun at first, then it seems to snap shut quickly. Could this be a cock on close assisted opening mechanism? It feels different than most of my other guns.

I will try to get some pictures of the gun when I have a bit more time. I just thought I should post an update.

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