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I've lusted for a Merkel 1620, a 16 ga. on a 20 ga. frame. My light 12's at 61/2 lbs. loaded with 21/2 RST's with 1oz. of shot work well enough for me to cancel my lust. Still, there is always that "one more gun".
Karl Your lust for a Merkel 1620 can still be satisfied. A really nice one was just listed on Upland Journal. And its in Michigan too. [img:center] http://uplandjournal.ipbhost.com/topic/60467-merkel-1620-for-sale/[/img] NB
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I do not see a problem here.
Likely chambered 2 1/2 inch, and proof for 1 1/8 ounce.
Using suitable cartridges, the gun is a dream upland gun.
One ounce of plated shot is plenty for me in 20 or 16 gauge, so why not a feather light 12 bore.
I had a Lewis 12ga, right at 6#. Factory 2 3/4" chambers, proofed for 1 1/4 oz. Doesn't mean I was going to SHOOT 1 1/4 oz through it. While there's a very significant difference in recoil between a 1 1/8 oz load at 1145 fps vs 1400 fps, it's still not a bad idea to keep Mr. Greener's "rule of 96" in mind.
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Lloyd,
It is a very pretty gun. That said, it wouldn't fit either of us, unless it is cast left. I'll bet it isn't cast left. Are you scheming how to pull all this off while you are still in posession of that lovely boxlock?
I wish I was a natural shooter, who could pick up a gun and just run 25 straight at some sort of clay sport. I'm not. I have to practice, extensively, each season, to slowly drag the numbers up. I've gotten recoil sensitive, too, so a truly lightweight 12 is a siren I try hard not to listen to.
You, my friend, might see it differently. Good luck, a guy could do a lot worse than a light, SLE.
I'm looking at restocking a big Darne R10 12 to fit me, and I hope to have the weight come in right at 6 1/2 lbs. It is not a grousmas gun per say, but, would be used more on pheasants and clay games that require a bit of choke.
The little Darne 12 with the sling, choked slim and none, 6lbs, 1oz, is already about perfect for our trip.
Or, the model 17.
Best,
Ted
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I use a pair of Lancaster 12/20's to shoot driven partridge and pheasants. Using 28g of No. 6 shot the guns are lively but not uncomfortable to shoot. The guns are however fitted with leather covered recoil pads which helps a lot.
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NB,
I saw the one at Fieldsport, thanks for the link.
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NB,
I saw the one at Fieldsport, thanks for the link.
Karl Karl, Pretty sure the 1620 @ Fieldsport has had the stock cut. Also a lot more $$$$$, albeit with more engraving. Its been there for awhile. Thanks. Rod
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Ted: You are right, of course.
This gun isn't a lefty and....it would require me to expend an additional $10k (minimally) over what I already have invested in upland toys. Your 6lb1 Darne sounds like a far-more practical gun if one must have a very light 12. This Lancaster is a beautiful gun, however, and artfully executed in the extreme. It awes me as a spectacular work of art should. Anybody who enjoys fine guns and lives for Fall in the uplands would (or should) be as impressed as I very much am. I may covet it, but I am (as always) limited by my practical frugality. I am also....so very grateful for what I already have and for what I (hopefully) have to look forward too.
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Seen some of the Lancasters and they are very nice guns. I just purchased (but not received) a Dickson RA that was made 1943. With 28" barrels and a 14 3/4" stock it still only weighs 6.0 pounds.
Now I love a nice Dickson (but never owned one) and can't wait till next week for it to arrive but I have concerns over the weight.
I plan on useing some Caledonian 3/4 ounce loads in it.
Can anyone else attest to lightweigt 12 bores?
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I shoot 1 ounce hunting loads in two different 20 gauge guns, AyA no.2 and Beretta 687, at 5 pounds 15 ounces and do not have a problem with recoil.
Why would a 12 bore with similar loading be a problem ? I might even try mild 1 1/8 ounce loads,but that would be about my limit in such a light gun.
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What a lovely gun! I'd love to own and shoot it. Is it still for sale?
Speaking of lightweight Brit guns, I have a Harkom 16 w/ 28" barrels. It weighs 5-1/2 lbs.
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