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No more, "Here Hathcock take this Model 70 and go shoot some gooks with it."
If you mean Carlos Hathcock, nothing could be further from the record. "Probably his most daring and important active-duty mission was when Hathcock shot and killed a North Vietnamese Army general from a range of about 700 yards. Hathcock literally spent days crawling, inches at a time, to get within range of the generals command post." Gil I remember reading the account of that shot/kill. It is absolutely amazing, even today. I have a VHS tape of an interview between Hathcock and his instructor. How I wish I could get it transferred to DVD. SRH
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Alright I broke down and did the math. A 750 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity if 2750 fps, which is a fairly average 50 cal BMG round, will drop -2275.7" at 2000 yards. Shooting into any wind would make it more. That's assuming calm conditions. Converted into feet is 189.6 feet drop. On top of that the bullet will drift due to spin and the Earths rotation. But those factors have already been worked before hand and they get added into the setting for the scope. Might be 10' or might be more. My minds tired from figuring out the drop.
I once killed a crow with a .22 lr in my youth. Had a 30 -35 mph cross wind and the crow was 200 plus yards away. .22 was sighted for 50 yards I think. Anyways I held about 4 1/2' into the wind and 3' above the crow shooting off hand. No rest. Just a pure guess work shot kids take while leading its harder than it looks. Bullet took a couple seconds of reach the crow and killed it instantly. As luck would have it I even had a witness. If I had to do it again I could not hit it once in a hundred times. This shot was in excess of 3520 yds! Ymwnv:)
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George;
Even to take 5 seconds you have to have a Nice Southern Drawl.
2.14 miles = 3,766 yds, 1 ft & 2.4 inches.
Miller/TN
I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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I read a funny quote that snipers aren't to be respected for their shooting prowess, but for having found a way to weaponized math.
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Just for yucks, at that distance, what would be the calculated speed and foot/punds-newton/meters of force of the projectile? I would have thunk that when it met it's mark, it might have bounced off the target. Not being cheeky, just scratching my head as to the theoretical possibility if all goes well,(not by the target's account) if the projectile can penetrate to cause damage.
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No more, "Here Hathcock take this Model 70 and go shoot some gooks with it."
If you mean Carlos Hathcock, nothing could be further from the record. "Probably his most daring and important active-duty mission was when Hathcock shot and killed a North Vietnamese Army general from a range of about 700 yards. Hathcock literally spent days crawling, inches at a time, to get within range of the generals command post." Gil Gil, back then in Vietnam the sniper program and sniper training was no where near what it is today. That's what I was saying. They gave those guys little or no training and very little support. They literally bought deer hunting rifles and gave them to the Vietnam snipers. And what's that got to do with him shooting some general?
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George;
Even to take 5 seconds you have to have a Nice Southern Drawl. Yes, and I guess I do...Geo
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A friend of mine, long retired, schooled under Gunny Hathcock when my friend helped form the first SWAT team in Georgia, which was a State Patrol unit. He said a couple of years after they got it up and running they were going to equip the unit with new rifles, and he was considering a couple different makes. He talked with Carlos who told him what rifle to buy and what ammo to use in it. Said Carlos told him not to mess with reloading for the unit, but shoot the factory stuff.
That unit would win the interstate competitions, between snipers of various departments, regularly with those out of the box rifles and factory ammo, much to the consternation of their competitors who would be shooting custom made jobs and hand loaded ammo.
He has some interesting stories about Hathcock, who he got to be friends with over the years.
SRH
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My late uncle was with the 1st Marines in WWII and was one time assigned as a scout/sniper in the Pacific. During Korea, he was at Chosin with the 1st Marines and was a machine gunner at East Hill during the withdrawal. The 1st Marines' bravery and ferocity at Chosin are one of the great chapters in the history of the Corps. During his tour in Korea, he'd snipe and single shoot a Mark II .50 caliber at great distances.
Hathcock's skills and techniques are detailed in Chandler's book, White Feather. It was Hathcock's sole authorized biography. For those interested, I recommend it. Gil
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