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Stan, I wish I could be definitive on the assertion of "American made rifle and ammunition to do the deed." I corresponded with a member here who was involved in the training of our Special Forces snipers---in Montana, I think--- and debriefed US and Canadian snipers in Afghanistan.

At the time, maybe six or more years ago, he said Washington had declined requests to buy the scopes and mounts the Canadians were using. Following up, I learned a friend had been quietly supplying the mounts and scopes which were made right here in Nova Scotia under government contract.

The last time I inquired, because of something that turned up on our forum, I learned that he now is making custom military rifles, lock, stock and barrel. Perhaps members may remember the name of our no-nonsense sniper expert who also wrote a delightful book on his Scottish Highland travels. John Mc?

One thing certain is that Canadian forces, including our secretive JTF-2 (Joint Task Force 2), are always welcomed in your ranks. I appreciated an earlier post from a former American soldier who praised them for their fighting and dying as brothers in arms.

But back to the rifle and ammunition: I don't know who makes Canada's .50 calibre ammunition nor the rifle under discussion. The mount and scope that set the record in Afghanistan was Canadian, according to my American correspondent. Do you know the rifle and ammo maker?

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C'mon, Kingsley. You can come up with all these off the wall "facts", but you don't know the answer to that simple question? Okay, I'll play along.

McMillan TAC-50 rifle

Hornady A-Max 750 grain VLD ammo

But, pretending does not add credibility to "ignorance".

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I looked it up. The Mcmillan TAC 50 is made in Arizona is the standard sniper rifle used by the Canadian Army. It's a bolt action rifle and shooting that big 50cal round. It must kick like a mule. Furlong's record was beaten by a Britisher shooting 338 Lapua round. I believe the 338 Lapua was developed by one of the Scandinavian countries. I've been hearing great things about the 338 Lapua in that it has a modest recoil for its power and distance. It is supposedly the round adopted by the Air Force snipers. I have a low regard for Air Force snipers. But it was the Air Force who first started buying the AR 15. They might be on to something now

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Isn't that rude, Stan? I made no claim on facts. I provided my sources. I said I wished I could be definitive. I understand crankiness but to impute base motives for asking a question is unreasonable.

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Thanks for the information, pooch. I just googled Canada's sniper ammunition and it appears that it's made in Canada by General Dynamics.

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Here ya go , tre

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So many greats. Loved Bobby Orr.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Isn't that rude, Stan? I made no claim on facts. I provided my sources. I said I wished I could be definitive. I understand crankiness but to impute base motives for asking a question is unreasonable.


How can you call Stan rude King? When you've told as many lies as you have here, is it any wonder your credibility sucks? I've said many times that it is important to check on any "facts or figures" you post here, because you have posted absolute bullshit so often. Don't play the innocent gentleman game.

You know what's even more interesting than hockey or Canadian politics King? The ravings of an anti-2nd Amendment Troll who is in denial about his own anti-gun rhetoric. Can you identify the Liberal Left Socialist Loon who made these statements in an attempt to undermine our gun rights?

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Democracies make choices. Americans accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Americans choose how they want to live, accept mass murder, mass school executions, mass incarceration (suddenly recognized as wrong). As much as they dislike it, little is done about it. Democracies make choices but few modern countries are as burdened in solving these societal problems as the US with three centuries of a ruinous race legacy.


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Dave, Dave, Dave: you're like those fundamentalists who claim Jesus walked with the dinosaurs. There was no NRA at time of the Founding Fathers. The change was recent to what the Second is today. You acknowledge as "infringements" all those jurisdictions making the Second what they want it to be. But still the law.

Whether Americans carry because they can or have to is not the issue. They democratically make decisions on how they want to live. Their homicide record is not edifying among modern societies. It is a violent country.


You would really have to have a lot of misfiring neurons to post crap like that on a forum for gun enthusiasts and expect them to believe you aren't supportive of infringing upon our gun rights, eh King? Why do you think someone could be so deranged as to be in denial of their own words???

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Dimensions of character---and culpability---are implied in the words we use.






A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Isn't that rude, Stan? I made no claim on facts. I provided my sources. I said I wished I could be definitive. I understand crankiness but to impute base motives for asking a question is unreasonable.


King, I was responding in a straightforward way to what I thought was your questioning of my credibility. My intention wasn't to be rude, but to respond in a like manner to your backhanded way of saying you didn't believe my claim. All you had to do was google it to find out what rifle and ammo he was using. If I was wrong, my opinion was based on my reading your posts for years about interviewing and researching facts for articles you've written. It just seems badly out of "character" that you would not have taken the few seconds necessary to look it up yourself before typing what you did.

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Originally Posted By: pooch
I looked it up. The Mcmillan TAC 50 is made in Arizona is the standard sniper rifle used by the Canadian Army. It's a bolt action rifle and shooting that big 50cal round. It must kick like a mule. Furlong's record was beaten by a Britisher shooting 338 Lapua round. I believe the 338 Lapua was developed by one of the Scandinavian countries. I've been hearing great things about the 338 Lapua in that it has a modest recoil for its power and distance. It is supposedly the round adopted by the Air Force snipers. I have a low regard for Air Force snipers. But it was the Air Force who first started buying the AR 15. They might be on to something now


The latest long distance kill that has been reported was the Britisher who killed a counter sniper at 1.5 miles in Mosul, Iraq last month. He was using another American made rifle. It is the newest bad boy on the block, and is made near here in Charleston, SC ....... the CheyTac (Cheyenne Tactical) Intervention, chambered for their proprietary .408 round. It is based on the old .505 Gibbs case. I'm not sure if it set a new long distance record, or not.

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The information I have on the latest record holder and maybe out of date is a Brit named Greg Harrison shooting the Brits hopped up 338 Lapua. His shot was 2400 plus meters. Which is amazing considering The 338 Lapua is supposed to have a max effective range of 1700 meters. Wiki says the 338Lapua was developed in the US and that the Finns built a Sako to handle the round. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the FInns that actually developed the round as they are a tough bunch of cookies over there and in to long range shooting. By the way it is rumored that he was using a Schmidt & Bender scope.

I've never shot a 338. I don't like big guns because I don't like to shoot big game and I'm going deaf so I have to avoid really load noises. But when I was younger I had friends that hunted in a Alaska with the 338 mag and just swore by it. There must be something about that 338 bullet size that makes it so efficient.

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