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Lagopus, first, thank you for the detailed response.
I asked about the report because it seemed pretty odd to me (although I've seen video of Toronto officers standing back while a citizen subdued a armed attacker, those officers were disciplined IIRC) and I couldn't find any more info over here.
Regarding the training....WOW! While you aren't describing the average officer, that is still a significant amount of training compared to what is expected from the average armed officer in Canada.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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....I would be on normal unarmed duty until required. I carried my kit in the vehicle and would either have to collect a firearm or have one brought to me. Usually used in pre-planned operations or when the mess hit the fan or after the armed response unit had contained the situation. London is a large force in a small area and can afford to have an armed tactical unit on standby.... I'm sure it's possible and may have happened, but I can't recall any headline grabbing misuse of a duty weapon by any London law enforcement officials. By most accounts, the incident took some eight minutes to get under control, and apparently some unarmed officers received serious injury. It would seem so much more intuitive to arm all your law enforcement officers, particularly while on duty with all the training. Minutes probably seemed like hours while everyone was waiting for the response team. Thanks also for the explanation and sharing your experiences.
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You guys actually believe the Brits would run from a fight??
Come on what are you talking about. Have you seen or heard about their football fans?
They routinely take on whole cities.
Not going to happen. Ever!!
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A country can arm or not arm its police force as they see fit. I have no problem with that at all. In most of my area it is rural in nature and the next closest armed policeman or policewoman may be many miles away. At night there may be only two on at any time and they may be 20-30 miles away. You can do the math but a mile a minute is hard on country roads. So our armed policemen have to be armed and almost entirely self sufficient. For that reason I think the pump shotgun has become the backup gun of choice and seems to be the primary weapon after dark.
After these attacks I expect police departments the world over will be reviewing their procedures, arms in police hands and training. I hope some good comes out of this mess.
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Interesting to see the press coverage of the incident. Leading Italian daily Corriere della Sera's reporter praised the heroic Londoners who responded to the attackers with bottles, chairs and tables, saying that the casualties would have been more had the citizens not reacted.
UK media say very little about the citizens response. Different cultures, different values.
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You guys actually believe the Brits would run from a fight??
Come on what are you talking about. Have you seen or heard about their football fans?
They routinely take on whole cities.
Not going to happen. Ever!! Maybe the football fans should let loose on the Muzlims...
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Interesting to see the press coverage of the incident. Leading Italian daily Corriere della Sera's reporter praised the heroic Londoners who responded to the attackers with bottles, chairs and tables, saying that the casualties would have been more had the citizens not reacted.
UK media say very little about the citizens response. Different cultures, different values. Didn't the London Muzlim mayor tell the people to run, hide and report. England is gone....
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Joe, our mother country may be the last country standing. I think of its fighting qualities as durable, "lasting, not transitory, resisting wear and decay." OED
She used her colonials in assault where they performed splendidly. I interviewed her youngsters flying off to the Falklands; what a cocky bunch.
I think of ISIS as manageable over time. The trick is doing it without losing the magnificent benefits of our civil and democratic societies.
Keep cool. We've survived worse.
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