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Raimey, that article only got two stars on the net. Neltir had I think a better analysis.

"Brevete S.G.D.G." "breveté sans garantie du gouvernement" - Patented Without Guarentee of the Government". French distinction that designates a technical patent in the U.S. sense, as opposed to trademark and the old design patent number system that dealt only with name and shape, which are designated by the French government as "déposé"


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Not sure just yet, but is there a reference that attributes the owner of the trademark "GRIPP HELICO"?

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http://www.chassepassion.net/le-forum/2/19414

Probably the same double?

A. Maisonnial - Royal Super Steel - Acier Superieur Triple Epreuve - Special Pour Pyroxylee

So PYRO would denote Pyroxylee?

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Looks like we're dealing with three topics at the same time:
1) VC heliduplex - the original question.
2) Skeetz's "Helice-Gripp" and whether it is actually VC.
3) the whole topic of "Helice" (generic Helical) and it's multitude of permutations.

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Argo,
Thanks for that.

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Yeah, why chase one rabbit when you can chase three? Seems that the term GRIPP HELICO is seen on wares of A. Maisonnial, so he might be the owner of the term GRIPP HELICO??? Would A. Maisonnial & Maisonnial Aimé, 13 rue Clément Forissier be the same person or entity? I guess in a nut shell our questions are centred on the terms Grip & Gripp and their derivations.

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This might be Sandpiper's gun - it's quite beautiful and it's sold and now I have to look for one - maybe in France.

http://www.dawsonsdoubles.com/details.php?ID=4169

And from the pictures the lock has both Heliduplex and Helice Grip (one "P") - which may answer two of the above three questions.



The 1939 VC catalog was previously posted here:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...3069#Post453069

Here is the page on Heliduplex:



And here is the page on Helice-Grip (one "P")



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Given that VC used "Helice Grip" as early as 1922, I doubt that "Gripp Helico" is theirs. Someone using the Helice system, and having selected a name close to "Helice Grip", possibly to convince buyers that it's a VC gun.

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Fellows,I just logged on after several days and found the additional info on the Helice grip guns. I got the Verney Carron gun and it is the gun Dawson had referenced in the above photo. I will try to post pictures later, but for now, I will say that is definitely a best, with all the usual best features which I mentioned in the previous post. The S/N I'm not sure about. The only no. that is on all three parts, is T3. The water table has the no. 884,along with T3,the VC trademark,and Acier Diamont. The barrels have on the flats the words Trempe, verney-carron integralbloc, Vercar stamp and 70, which I assume means 2 3/4" chambers,which the barrels have.T3 is the only other marking other than St. Etienne proofs.the barrels are chopper lump as stated previously. The gun appears to possibly be a live pigeon gun, as it weighs 7 1/3 lbs. and has a non auto safety ,along with 2 3/4 chambers.Can anyone give me any idea when it might have been made,other than pre-war?

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Sand - if you'd like I can translate the catalog entries for you. Both the entries for Heliduplex and the entry on Helice-Grip. Mostly of it is advertising hype but it might give you an idea about the history of your gun. Also, you might write to the factory on the provenance. French people can be most helpful (outside of Paris). (and if you tire of it..please let me know).


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