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"Jerry V. Lape," your experience with the Gambel's quail when using your Parker 20-bore gun comports with my field experiences with that bore, and also respecting the cited choke borings, sizes of shot, and shot weight choices.

I agree as well regarding simple choke designations when such markings are compared to actual results determined by patterning the barrels and witnessing the demonstrated effectiveness of all selected elements afield. I too believe that to-day's "modified" or 1/2-choke constricted guns shoot "as well at distance as most full chokes." My bore size selections for use in the field, whether that day's selection is a 20-, 16- or 12-bore, intentionally use, as nearly as possible, the same dram equivalence, as well as charges of shot size and shot weight, in combination with 1/4-choke and half-choke constrictions, which, if all is approximately equal, will deliver very similar results through whatever bore employed. Perhaps some machine or a published table could reveal a difference, but in actual use and result, I cannot.

It may be that sometimes those of us who once used older constructs of shot-cartridges for upland game employing less efficient felt wads and overshot cards forget that modern one-piece plastic wads surrounding and fully protecting the shot as all passes down the barrel is known to increase the percentage of pellets striking a game bird within effective range and / or a patterning target at 30- or 40-yards. The improvement in my shooting and successes afield, I am persuaded, is mainly attributable to my beginner's use some years ago and continued use to-day of the one-piece plastic wad, and must therefore prefer it to nostalgia-imbued ammunition. Moreover, if we possess an 'older' (shot)gun manufactured before the introduction of the plastic wad during the 1960's, the manufacturer's choke marking (if we assume such stampings were ever truly indicative of pattern percentage) will not realistically indicate the level of choke achieved when using the modern plastic-wadded cartridges. Though it is not known to me whether the manufacturers ever changed their designations to match the mechanical, practical effects caused by the modern one-piece plastic wad or not.

In most cases, use of the now common and ubiquitous one-piece plastic wad will have the practical and obviously positive ballistic effect of effectually increasing the gun barrel's constriction or choke and will thereby increase the effective range of the gun using it. So when we say the gun's choke is such and such points or degree of, perhaps we should also 'ratchet-up' the word designation for the affected constriction from, say, "modified" to "improved modified" to accord with true performance. Just food for thought.

Best of luck to all during the upcoming hunting season! Please enjoy your vintage and antique side-by-side guns to the maximum by taking and using them afield!


Best regards,

Edwardian

Just gonna bring this amazing thread back to life

Great thread. All we need now is pics of favorite guns.
BillK

BillK,
Well okay then, here you go. My 12 ga. Browning BSS-SL choked IC/MOD that I've used for almost everything. I also have one in 20 ga., but this one just seems to be my go to almost every time.
Karl

Love the straight grain and tight scroll!

Many of us SxS heathens use the 12 gauge for everything. Its easy to handload 7/8 ounce for dove, 1 ounce for quail, and 1-1/4 ounce for pheasant.

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That looks like HVA 300 series shotgun. Very good shotgun at least twice as good as Sterlingworth at half the price (few years ago when HVAs appeared on our shores in good numbers). Yes as someone above mentioned 12ga is the king. Best selection of guns & ammo from very light to very heavy.

How would you know the HVA 300 shotgun is "at least twice as good as Sterlingworth at half the price" Jagermeister?

Do you own one?

Oh, that's right... you don't own any double shotguns. Not even a cheap Crescent or Belgian Clunker Hardware Store Gun. And you actually RENT a cheap Chinese .22LR bolt action rifle.

You are nothing but a tire-kicker who has to put relatively cheap guns on layaway, and then later backs out of the deal. How many times have you done that just in recent months?



And you even lied to us about the Remington 870 by telling us that you actually bought it. But why would we be surprised when you also got busted in your lies about owning an Ithaca Mod. 37 Trench Gun which turned out to be a late model short barreled Ithaca 37 3" magnum with choke tubes, or your lies about owning a second Ithaca Model 37 short barreled pump?



Oh yeah Jagermeister, we all believe you. We all believe that a sad, sorry, pathetic internet troll who can't afford to buy his own Chinese bolt action .22 will be buying a double rifle in any of the aforementioned calibers. Better you should go on a forum where you can discuss your stuffed toy animal collection.

Owen,
Thanks for the kind statements. I reach for this one most often.
Gold,
I use 1 oz. for everything due to the fact it weighs 6 1/2 lbs. and adjust to yhe quarry through shot selection in 5-6-7-8.
I've used the 20 ga. BSS-SL and the baby framed Merkel 28 ga., but this one resides at the front of the safe.
Karl

My go-to 12 bore A&D box lock is choked cyl/lt mod 6 lbs 3oz. I have a 16 bore 30" sidelock 2 1/2" circa 1900 choked skeet/mod 6lbs 1 oz. incoming. I am really excited about trying it out on the pattern board in a month or so. My DMB-RA is 16 bore, 6 lbs 1oz. Choked skeet/ic. Anyone see a pattern here? These three will be competing cor hunt time in the fall.