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You might consider having a good smith line the .410 barrel instead. It would probably be a much more routine and cost effective option. There are very good liners available, likely the equivalent of many after market barrels. The same smith could easily fiddle with the extractor and set the barrel up the way you want it for your favorite sights. I'd consider a decent trigger job. Having seen this done with a really nice old Belgian double hammer gun, I would go this route too except that I might have it done with barrels turned down (or ordered) to size rather than liners. I once had a hankering for a Dangerous Game Double Rabbit Rifle in .22lr. I still like that idea. So, I bought Graham's(?) book and studied it for a while, but never did move forward on it. The guy that did the .22 set up some eccentrics so that he could regulate the double. The book discusses this too. It's not so simple as sliding in a liner and some glue. But it seems very doable (says he who does no machining). A .22 double built on a .410 - still sounds like heaven to me. Something that would be shot a whole bunch and really enjoyed. I need to revisit this. It does to me, too. I have looked into the inserts that are available for this, but they all require knocking the empties out with a cleaning rod, from the muzzle. I don't want one that bad. I could live with extractors, but not with using a rod for ejection. I would begin with this. $489 and a great value. I've shot one for about 7-8 years without a hiccup. http://www.yildizshotgun.com/en/elg_12.html SRH
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Stan, An insert barrel(Einstecklauf)in 22LR can be "shop made" and be set up with a "thumbnail" notch to extract the empty. I have seen these at Al. Gun Collectors Assn. Gun shows, and by reports work very well. They are adjustable for POI, but I'm not sure if a 410 is large enough to be adjustable. I know of 20 ga. ones. Mike
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I have a Kreighoff .22 WRM insert barrel that I got for a Savage/Valmet O/U combination gun. It shoots very accurately and has an integral extractor that works with the original shotgun one. I have it set for the open sights and use the scope for the centerfire barrel.
I got mine used when a friend bought a modern drilling at an estate sale and didn't want the insert. Not sure they are available any more and would be pricey if they were.
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....A .22 double built on a .410 - still sounds like heaven to me. Something that would be shot a whole bunch and really enjoyed. I need to revisit this. It does to me, too.... My ultimate dangerous rabbit double rifle has always been, probably barrels instead of lining, in 38 spec. with the twist and throat for wad cutter target loads. On a slim, scaled down rifle, the holes in the end of the tube would keep a bit of the big bore look, but I think there's a good chance that it could be balanced a little better. If it ended up shooting half way decent, I think it would be a great plinker.
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If I was a machinist I'd build my own liners, Der Ami, and have the bore a few thou off center at the muzzle, rotate them until I got the two tubes shooting to same POI, then cut the extractor notches to mate up with the original extractors. Sounds like something that could be done, but at great expense if you hired it out.
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Stan, One of my Einstecklaufs is regulated that way( with an eccentric on the muzzle of the EL which has a slot across the front, and is turned by a screwdriver from the muzzle of the shotgun to regulate the EL). You could also put a collar on the muzzle end, with 4 small set screws and regulate it like a 4 jaw chuck. A lathe is a necessity of life( a mill too). Mike
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A source for barrels is the Savage 94 hammer gun. I would advise trying the barrel first before buying the donor gun, but up to this point I haven't found a 94 barrel that didn't have a little extra metal so that it could be fitted to the 219 (or 220). I have a 219 with 3 barrels at this point. The only difference is that the 219 has a snap fore end and the 94 is a screw on. 25-35 is on my list. Nice choice. Good luck.
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Thanks, Tom--that's really good info. Actually I've asked specifically about using a 94 barrel on a 219 or 220, but nobody I've asked seems to know the answer, until now. So the BBS comes thru again! I'll start looking....
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One consideration is that if you line the barrel with a rifled liner, you can cut the barrel to 16" and be legal, whereas a smoothbore must be 18".
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