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Internet anonymity...In certain cases can cause rude, disrespectful and just plain bizarre behavior. Unfortunately; this can manifest as off color, rude, overtly aggressive or irrelevant posts on the board.

Periodically (way more than I'd like); I get complaints about the antics of certain users on the board. I can only assume that the digital world has some how compromised their ability to be considerate and respectful of other members.

Although I am typically in agreement concerning the complaints I do not wish to actively moderate the forum for various reasons.

So in lieu of my whacking a user I'd like to remind all of you about a very useful feature available to all registered users.

The feature is called "Ignore a User".

You can choose to ignore the posts of a particular user, if you wish. Posts from an ignored user will still be shown to preserve the flow of the conversation; however, the body of the ignored user’s posts will be set to “You are ignoring this user”. To ignore a user, click his/her username to go to the profile and click “ignore this user”.

Thank you all for your participation and your patience with these individuals.[u][/u]


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Dave:
Why don't you delegate moderation responsibilities to a couple of members of the forum that are willing to take this on?
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Sigh.
Dave has given us freedom. For his own reasons.
Do we not understand the Grace & responsibility that comes with that ?
Why do you once again feel the need to turn back to the law & appoint kings over the people ?
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Amen...


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Originally Posted By: James M
Dave:
Why don't you delegate moderation responsibilities to a couple of members of the forum that are willing to take this on?
Jim


Because once he stars moderating, people who don't like what's said in the posts he doesn't excise can drag him into any legal dispute they might start with the person who wrote the offensive text. The same would apply to people he might delegate as moderators.


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the issue is... some here I have elected to ignore, which is just fine. the problem is unless the rest of the users ignore him, his comments still remain posted as insulting and degrading for all others to see.
this causes me negative publicity.
and it degrades your website.
and it degrades me.
look, I understand freedom of speech and the liberal tolerance agenda, but rules are designed to keep order. and in all public settings, a lawless environment just breeds more lawlessness, as those who practice it get to improve upon it.

websites are suppose to be a gathering of like minds and like attitudes.
some here lack common sense and basic gentleman like character.
none of which belongs here.
pick me. I have nothing better to do than to start poofing memberships. and i would be glad to do it.
being ex-military and a retired NAVY CPO, it would be like water off a ducks back.
I do it on other numerous websites and its just the flick of a switch. let me at em! you know what I mean too. :>
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Originally Posted By: Dave in Maine
Originally Posted By: James M
Dave:
Why don't you delegate moderation responsibilities to a couple of members of the forum that are willing to take this on?
Jim


Because once he stars moderating, people who don't like what's said in the posts he doesn't excise can drag him into any legal dispute they might start with the person who wrote the offensive text. The same would apply to people he might delegate as moderators.


B.S: Practically ANY OTHER online forum has moderators and in the 20+ years I've been online I don't know of a single instance of a moderator having legal trouble of any kind. If you know of a case where a moderator was involved in a legal dispute due to moderating point us to it.
A moderators responsibility is to make sure members abide by the rules and insure that within reason a topic starting a thread stays on track.


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Not BS, but it is of course complicated, and way beyond my comprehension. It appears that owner moderators may be sued (or at least threatened) if they fail to edit/delete a comment they know to be false, ESP. if the moderator has some financial connection to the person making the false comment.

The author is licensed in the state of California, but this appears to be generally applicable
http://www.socalinternetlawyer.com/defamation-internet-forums/

More
http://communications-media.lawyers.com/...l-problems.html

https://xenforo.com/community/threads/member-wants-to-sue-forum-owner-possible.32638/

And it appears volunteer moderators have some exposure
http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/201...-v-bleeping.htm

Unpleasant reading
http://www.fishkeepingbanter.com/showthread.php?t=8307

Then again, it's Dave's site, and he can do what he wants. Any one of us are free to start our own site, and pay for the necessary legal advice.
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Yeah I read all the legal gobligook in the above post links and will re-ask the question:
Show One instance where a forum moderator has been charged and successfully sued for their actions when moderating a forum? IMO no responsible site operator is going to permit someone to moderate that may even come close to putting them in this position.
I have seen some very heated exchanges on forums particularly related to the condition or originality of firearms with generally extreme differences of opinion and have yet to see a moderator legally held liable for it.
I have been personally slandered(actually libeled since it is in writing) in every way imaginable by certain elements on this forum but know darn well suing them would be a waste of time and money. I just put them on my ignore list and let it go at that.

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Tort law Jim. Personal injury or harm. Not criminally "charged".
That which you call gobligook (gobbledigook?) may cost you a great deal of money. Lack of understanding therof is not a defense.

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As you sow, so shall you reap.
Why irrigate another mans crop of thorns ?
I find no cause to ignore anyone here.
Nor waste time in heated dispute.
We are ultimately responsible for what we choose to enter & what & who we choose to take offence at. That person is not to blame.
The same sort of self moderation that we practice in our daily lives in our non cyber world, so that we may have even one friend.
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Well Drew:
I'm still waiting for an actual example of a moderator being charged and convicted. You really should do your homework BEFORE you make allegations.


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Originally Posted By: bobski
the issue is... some here I have elected to ignore, which is just fine. the problem is unless the rest of the users ignore him, his comments still remain posted as insulting and degrading for all others to see.
this causes me negative publicity.
and it degrades your website.
and it degrades me.
look, I understand freedom of speech and the liberal tolerance agenda, but rules are designed to keep order. and in all public settings, a lawless environment just breeds more lawlessness, as those who practice it get to improve upon it.

websites are suppose to be a gathering of like minds and like attitudes.
some here lack common sense and basic gentleman like character.
none of which belongs here.
pick me. I have nothing better to do than to start poofing memberships. and i would be glad to do it.
being ex-military and a retired NAVY CPO, it would be like water off a ducks back.
I do it on other numerous websites and its just the flick of a switch. let me at em! you know what I mean too. :>
I spoke my peace.


Don't let the door hit you in the arse bob....


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Jim: your volitional choice to not comprehend does not obligate me to provide additional evidence. So let's review:
1. Dave said "people who don't like what's said in the posts he doesn't excise can drag him into any legal dispute..."
2. You said that was "BS"
3. I provided links documenting that owner/moderators (Dave) have been threatened and sued (Tort)
4. You now demand "an actual example of a moderator being charged and convicted." As in Criminal law?
5. And BTW: From the Valeo Attorney Hourly Rates Database:
•The average partner rate at large national firms in Phoenix is $606 an hour.
•The average rate for all positions at large national firms in Phoenix is $438 an hour.
•The average partner rate at Arizona or Mountain state-based firms is $350 an hour.
If Dave wants to protect himself, it's his business.

You may do your own homework. Maybe start with Tort vs. Criminal law. Although we endured 8 years of an administration and Justice Dept. that tried to define "Hate Speech" as anything that hurt someone's feelings, saying stupid stuff is not a crime. But anyone can claim they have been "harmed" and petition a court for redress, and you are then obligated to defend yourself.
I'm not that invested in Dave's decisions, but have chosen not to allow comments on any of my FOUR websites.

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Wow!!!

Who would have thought that you could find someone to add to your Ignore List, on a post about using the ignore list feature.

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Originally Posted By: bushveld
Wow!!!

Who would have thought that you could find someone to add to your Ignore List, on a post about using the ignore list feature.

Amen:

Drew:
I don't comprehend" I think it's apparent who doesn't comprehend here when you can't answer a simple and straightforward question. here is the question again in case you forgot:
"Because once he stars moderating, people who don't like what's said in the posts he doesn't excise can drag him into any legal dispute they might start with the person who wrote the offensive text. The same would apply to people he might delegate as moderators."
When I called this B.S. you attacked me for stating it without one shred of evidence to the contrary
MY question:
I'm still waiting for an actual example of a moderator being charged and convicted.

Like the typical socialist apologist which I suspect you are, you avoid answering a direct question when it's apparent you can't. Rather you go off on all kind of tangents. You've shown yourself for what you are and I don't care to have any further interaction with you.

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I think it is sickening and almost slanderous to make the statement that you suspect Dr. Drew Hause of being a socialist. I believe you owe Dr. Hause a sincere apology. And, if this forum was policed by the moderator like they do on Trapshooter, I'm guessing you would be banned. So, be careful what you wish for because people who live in glass houses really should not throw stones.


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I don't know of any society, private or public, that doesn't have a police dept.
a hen will lay good eggs if they know the farmer has a shotgun in the farm house.
when the fox is in a hen house, the last thing a hen wants to hear from the farmer is to ignore the fox.
I stand by my claim that if there are rules, and if the rules aren't enforced, it equals no rules.
either youre full of law or you have less law.
lawfull/lawless.
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Like I said don't let the door hit you in the arse....


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Originally Posted By: buzz
I think it is sickening and almost slanderous to make the statement that you suspect Dr. Drew Hause of being a socialist. I believe you owe Dr. Hause a sincere apology. And, if this forum was policed by the moderator like they do on Trapshooter, I'm guessing you would be banned. So, be careful what you wish for because people who live in glass houses really should not throw stones.


Take a hike toady!


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