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The percentages escape me when they compared similar loadings in the 16 gauge and the 20 gauge. But the differences were impressive. I just can't get any closer than that on the article. Anyone with a collection of Shooting Sportsman Journals?
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And big good beats little good all the time. Dead is dead, and a goose killed with a 16 at 25 yds. is just as dead as one killed with a 12 at 30 yds. Thanks for the discussion. All my best, SRH I'm saying in my experience and what I've personally seen, you hunt more than I do and you're right dead is dead whether at 25 yards or 30 yards.
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With all due respect treblig....to follow your logic, no one should hunt geese without using a ten gauge with 3 1/2" 1 3/4 oz. shells....as it would definitely throw out more density then a twelve, and be more responsible. A 12ga. is considered a sub gauge to the ten....is it not?
I've posted many a photo of my sixteen's ability. Not 'much' gets shot within 25 yards fearing destruction of the meat I'm trying to harvest. The deeks are set at 30 yards, and they get taken either just inside the last deek, or as they flare, just outside....most of the time.
Your point is well taken though, as most here will agree....get them within range of your gun and shell's capability. No argument there.
I disagree with king on 'needing' to use a dog. Where I hunt, one can always walk out to the area of a downed bird (which at Long Point can be a few hundred yards or so, or more), or a boat is readily available to chase down any cripple. Since I have never hunted a coastline, I'll take kings word on that.
Life is too short to have a 'hate on' for so many things or people. Isn't it?
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Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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That is an outstanding gun, Terry.
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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Hi Tamid.I obtained the gun about 9 years ago out of England and with the help of Toby Barclay of Heritage Guns,who has a website devoted to John Blanch guns,I was able to contact the owner of the #1 gun.We carried on an email conversation for quite a while.He obtained gun #1 as a 12th birthday present.Lucky him...Took me a few decades longer to get #2.
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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With all due respect treblig....to follow your logic, no one should hunt geese without using a ten gauge with 3 1/2" 1 3/4 oz. shells....as it would definitely throw out more density then a twelve, and be more responsible. A 12ga. is considered a sub gauge to the ten....is it not?
I've posted many a photo of my sixteen's ability. Not 'much' gets shot within 25 yards fearing destruction of the meat I'm trying to harvest. The deeks are set at 30 yards, and they get taken either just inside the last deek, or as they flare, just outside....most of the time.
Your point is well taken though, as most here will agree....get them within range of your gun and shell's capability. No argument there.
I disagree with king on 'needing' to use a dog. Where I hunt, one can always walk out to the area of a downed bird (which at Long Point can be a few hundred yards or so, or more), or a boat is readily available to chase down any cripple. Since I have never hunted a coastline, I'll take kings word on that.
I see your point but feel that the 12 gauge throws effective enough killing patterns at distances that the average shot, which most people are, can kill a bird as tough as a geese cleanly. The ten gauge is overkill. Plus shell availability further negates the ten gauge slight pattern advantages. There is just too much chance for error in sight distance, in judgment, in overconfidence, when dedicated goose hunting with the subgauges. All I'm saying is yes the "Queen" of shotguns is the 16 gauge but the "King" is the 12 gauge.
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Stunningly beautiful gun, Terry!
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All I'm saying is yes the "Queen" of shotguns is the 16 gauge but the "King" is the 12 gauge. Agreed
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The "average" shot, if there is such a person, shoots at the goose ........ the above average shot shoots at the goose's head. This is also consistent with many of the better shots' practice of focusing on the leading edge of clay bird, and watching the quail's head on the flush.
I think I have told this before, but for the sake of making the point I will again. There was an old quail hunter near Athens, GA, back in my college days. A friend of mine hunted with him and said he was the deadliest shot he had ever seen, and asked him how he learned to shoot quail with so few misses. He thought a moment and replied, "Well, I don't know. All I know is that when I see his eye clearly I shoot". Anyone who has ever had a covey of wild bobs take off will understand the discipline required to do this. Kinda like Ted Williams being able to see the seams on a fast ball.
SRH
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