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http://www.naturabuy.fr/IDEAL-PERFECTION-TYPE-ANGLAIS-item-3619970.html

This model of Ideal, built to appeal to the British, is a very rare item. Wingshooter and I have only ever seen 3 come up for sale. The other two have been up in the 20,000 Euro asking range so this gun is listed at quite a discount. Any Ideal fans feel like taking a good look and picking it apart?

BTW, Last question in the question and answer section is a reasonably polite request for the seller to post a photo of the flats and proofs. Seller basically tells the person asking for the pic to quit wasting his time and F*** Off. It's quite stunning and is one more thing that gives rise to our suspicions.

I would rather have "Anglais a la Birminghamou". The metal to metal fit isn't particularly good. Perhaps it has been taken apart and put together too many times I don't know. I would pass. For 20,000 Euro or USD I would search for second-hand Granger. Some years ago Hallowell & Co had very nice 20ga Granger SLE for kool $20,000. It did not sell quickly because unless it was made in London, Brimingham or Gardone typical buyer in USA doesn't know what they're looking at. Manufrance isn't Granger but they did make some that resemble Scottish round actioned game guns. Those Manufrance Ideals are very, very nice and unique looking. That is what I would search for.

yo no ablo fran ce...est disen der frencie boxlockengon mit der false sideplatzennottens?

No, ed. Back action sidelock. No burn marks, that I can see.

James, the engraving was quite nice, and the wood is spectacular. The rest of the gun has the appearance of being quite tired, however. The laundry list of needs on the thing could be quite extensive. 8K is still 8K, after all.

There has got to be a continental sidelock that is a better risk than this one.


Best,
Ted

Ted, not considering spending money on this one. Just looked off to me and wondered what others thought. I like deals but this one has the air of fakery somehow to me.

For those of us fans of Ideals, this one furrowed our brows on a number of fronts. Without giving away the store, let me note a few observations of Messr. James and myself: Sling swivel mount on butt stock, lack of sharp lines in engraving, and perhaps related to the latter, the mysterious spot behind the left fence. Price point and seller's response pique the interest: not to purchase, but engage in the study of a fine firearm whose "mass production" was anything but "cookie cutter." Mike

uh, tedschultz...ifn disen est der sidelockengon, where est der pins holden der locken partz unt der placen?

Of course it's not a sidelock, although the sideplates do offer more canvas for the engraver's art work.

To me, the wood in the buttstock looks unusually fancy, almost makes me guess restocked. But the checkering looks fairly worn.

Mike, what's it cost to import a gun from France? Think I've heard $500 or so from the UK these days.

Larry,
Continental guns can fool you, here and there, but, look at this picture:

http://www.naturabuy.fr/IDEAL-PERFECTION-TYPE-ANGLAIS-item-3619970.html

There isn't any way to access the "box". No plate, no screws to hold the plate on.

Looks like the bottom of every sidelock.

The pictures aren't the best, but, good enough for just about anyone to walk away clean.

Best,
Ted

Ted's assessment is spot on, Quite tired indeed.
JR