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"So how many Lindner Dalys do I think were produced over Heinrich Lindner's 42 year run (1874 - 1916)? About 4,000, maybe a few more. Again, this estimate is based on what I have recorded in the database and what I have observed looking at Prussian Dalys for the last dozen years. I'm happy to delve further into the details, but I'll leave it at that."

The key to this question is to recognize that Lindner Dalys have two distinct serial number ranges, the "early" crown over crossed pistol marked guns and the later HAL over crossed pistol marked guns. 1892 is the delineation "between" the two ranges (sort of).........
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"Within the early range (crown marked), the highest number yet recorded is #3950. In the second serial number range (HAL marked), the highest serial number is 26XX. The owner of the last one has asked me not provide the details so I am respecting his wishes.)"

http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=291888&page=1

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

More quotes from Georgi:

....."Schoverling, Daly, and Gales catalog circa 1885".....

"There are 6 hammerless models listed, two of which can be eliminated (a diamond quality gun and an 8 gauge only model).

A "No.42" hammergun is listed as having a "Scott action, Damascus barrels, scroll fence breech, bar rebounding locks, pistol grip, Deeley & Edge forend, rib extension and rubber butt" - offered in 10 and 12 gauge for $75.

The "No. 53" is listed as similar to a No. 42 except with a "Purdey double underbolt, plain engraving." It retailed for $90 and was offered in 10 and 12 gauge only..

The "No. 55" is listed as the same as a No. 53 with "3 pin locks, ornamental rubber buttplate, scroll engraving." Offered in 10, 12, 16, and 20 gauge it retailed for $100.

The "No. 60" is listed as similar to a "No. 55" with "fine Cluny Damascus barrels, fine engraving and checkering." It was offered in 10 and 12 gauge for $130.

The "No. 100" was a diamond quality gun and retailed for $200. "

Note the 3 pin lock variant.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=187282

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Well,

Just in this thread we've uncovered a discrepancy, with the use of the first Lindner mark falling between the production of Daly 1569 and Golcher 1662, rather than the approx number of 1892, as cited.

Also, no mention of how many of the earlier five digit Scott action guns were produced, as well as the thee digit guns lacking the first Lindner mark.

It appears to me, info on the early years and Georg's involvement is still lacking.

Regards
Ken

3 pin variant???? Joseph Jakob....

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=235106&page=1

Yeah, there exists tons of info & some of it was evolving as the research unfolded and there will have to be a sorting of the chaff or cleaning up of info as additional findings became apparent.


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

1892 is a year designation not modell. Proof law penned in 1891 and valid in 1893 so he changed horses on his quality control stamp in the year of our Lord 1892.


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Ok, 1892 year being the transition between the first and second Lindner marks. I was referring to the use of the first Lindner mark, occurring between Daly 1569 and Golcher 1662.

So, in this case, OP's gun is pre-1892. Where do you think it falls in the SD&G 1885 catalog, as far as model? Is it considered a three pin lock? The pattern looks different from the Jakob. It look's like the OP's gun may have been a $100 gun when new..

So far, it looks like the Crown marked guns fall into the 1662-3950 serial number range, the pre-Crown guns being the five digit Scott guns and the low numbers going at least to 1569.


Regards
Ken

Ken, the number on the lockplates is 251, not 254. It is just the last three digits of the serial number 15251. Incidently, even the iron buttplate on mine has the same serial number. Does yours?

Also, my barrels were provisionally proofed in Birmingham but stitched together somewhere else. And the ribs are brazed on!

It is a quail shooting gun! Original 28" barrels and tall hammers set close together allow me to cock both at the same time.

Thanks Joe,

My 15707 gun appears to be the same action as yours. I think they were both Scott parts kits and were made when Georg was running the show. Your 15251 gun is slightly earlier than mine, but not by much. My 441 gun is later, has similar yet different locks (one less pin on the bridle) and is of lower grade. 15707 does have a metal butt plate with spur, but I haven't removed it yet to check for a serial number. Mfg. approx 1872, according to Raimey. My gun also has the circled "PB" on the flats.

Joe, what gauge is your gun? I'm sure you told me when we talked about'em a while back, but I've forgotten. Boy, that barrel pattern intrigues me. It's apparently marked "stub", but it sure looks Laminated to me. But, it is fairly light.

Regards
Ken

"A "No.42" hammergun is listed as having a "Scott action, Damascus barrels, scroll fence breech, bar rebounding locks, pistol grip, Deeley & Edge forend, rib extension and rubber butt" - offered in 10 and 12 gauge for $75."

To me this speaks volumes & Daly was still sourcing W. & C. Scott in 1885?? The position of the crosspin may be dictated by the quality of the lock??

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

It does make sense, if the Germans were not making the action, and Daly already had the business relationship in England. The only other real alternative would have been Belgium.

Cross pin position may have merely been design evolution for the time. Moving the cross pin from forward of the hammer to behind it.

Regards
Ken